Swipe card door entry systems

[Tesla]

Paxton/Net2 here.

[Oaktech]

We have a standalone system from TDSI as they are proper local!

 

We're about to start using them for MFD accounting though!

[CyberNerd]

I should add that paxton net 2 does require that all your equipment:

 

1) is IPV6 capable

2) runs on a single subnet (put all the gates on one vlan)

[localzuk]

I should add that paxton net 2 does require that all your equipment:

 

1) is IPV6 capable

2) runs on a single subnet (put all the gates on one vlan)

 

Where did you get the IPv6 bit from? Our system is entirely IPv4! There's not even a mention of IPv6 anywhere in the Server Configuration Utility?

[CyberNerd]

it's in the system spec for all of the door control units for net 2.

[ITGURU]

I should add that paxton net 2 does require that all your equipment:

 

1) is IPV6 capable

2) runs on a single subnet (put all the gates on one vlan)

 

 

Not sure where this information came from but

1. All ours run on IPv4

 

2. All Net 2 Plus units used to run on our flat network, and I migrated them one at a time over to a separate VLAN - there was no issues with having them on different subnets, and the Default Gateway of the Net2 server was a switch with both VLANs on!

[Gaz]

I'm sure it'll work on IPV4 because I'm certainly not going to implement IPV6 just for this. Its nice to know its ready, Paxtons website looks like they are from the dark ages so supporting IPV6 surprises me.

[CyberNerd]

Ok, I'm just going on what the installers told us.

That the door entry components (not the server) operate over IPV6 see here: http://www.paxton.co.uk/docs/Instructions/Ins-30201.pdf

Did you configure IPV4 on these ? or is it just using IPV6 behind the scenes?

 

They also told us that Paxton were "unresponsive and awkward" about running it on anything other than a single VLAN. Which sounds ridiculous, and it may well work over vlans but pazton don't support it. Allegedly.

 

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I'm sure it'll work on IPV4 because I'm certainly not going to implement IPV6 just for this. Its nice to know its ready, Paxtons website looks like they are from the dark ages so supporting IPV6 surprises me.

 

You don't need to implement ipv6 for this, all you need is to make sure the switch can use it.

[HarryMonkey]

Ours runs on IPv4

[localzuk]

Ok, I'm just going on what the installers told us.

That the door entry components (not the server) operate over IPV6 see here: http://www.paxton.co.uk/docs/Instructions/Ins-30201.pdf

Did you configure IPV4 on these ? or is it just using IPV6 behind the scenes?

 

That's a specific device - door entry, rather than just the RFID access stuff. Pretty new product - one I've not actually seen before in fact. None of our door readers are those.

[CyberNerd]

ok. I've just been on the phone to Paxton.

 

It applies specifically to the panels and monitors for video intercom systems.

they said:

1) it runs over IPV6 it does NOT support IPV4

2) all the panels and monitors must be on the same vlan.

 

So it is likely it is just the intercom parts for opening gates on newer systems.

[localzuk]

Ah, fair enough. Our intercom is done the old fashioned way - there's a telephone at one end, and an old style panel at the other...

[robk]

@CyberNerd I have never heard of Paxton support being "unresponsive and awkward" I suspect you have now spoken to them so know how they work. There is a procedure for inter subnet working that's covered on the installers course. Or at least it was when I did it.

[CyberNerd]

@CyberNerd I have never heard of Paxton support being "unresponsive and awkward" I suspect you have now spoken to them so know how they work. There is a procedure for inter subnet working that's covered on the installers course. Or at least it was when I did it.

 

Yes, I did speak to them. They told me that they wouldn't budge on either point. 1) that the system needs to run on IPV6 2) that it needs to run on a single subnet.

If they cannot/will not move on those points then I can see this as being "unresponsive or awkward"; which is what I was referring to. To be fair the engineer that I spoke to eluded to the fact that point 2 could be resolved " if the network was setup correctly" (I ad-lib) ; but reverted to "non-supported" when I pressed it.

 

To be fair I do think that paxton is one of the best products around, and this is referring to a particular subset of their products.

[robk]

Ah that does suprise me, was this net 2 access or door entry? It certainly is easier if all the net2 devices are on the same subnet/vlan.

[CyberNerd]

Ah that does suprise me, was this net 2 access or door entry? It certainly is easier if all the net2 devices are on the same subnet/vlan.

 

yes it is just for this and the phone/monitor point. I don't think they did a particularly good job with product design here.

[robk]

Ah the entry system. Not used that in anger so can't comment. Simple to install on a flat network, not sure why ipv6 etc needed but it is.

[neilault]

We use Paxton Net2 here, alll be it with Biometric door readers instead. Very impressed with the software and it's pretty easy to setup.

[gaz350b]

Paxton net2, we have both our cashless system integrated into it for syncing cards/users and a custom piece of software that monitors our turnstiles and marks student AM roll call.

 

Works really well. We have server on 1 vlan and doors on 2 other vlans across our 2 sites.

 

The reason why Paxton don't support vlans is you need to be on the vlan to setup the door controller.

 

we use a popular security company to purchase and install. I then configure the door with my laptop(with the net2 configure tool installed) as engineers lack the networking knowledge to complete.

 

Oh also make sure you get the correct type of rfid system I think there are Paxton and mifare card readers(I think). Mifare are obviously going to be compatible with other systems.

 

We sometimes get the wrong readers installed!!

Edited September 29, 2015 by gaz350b