Use of Music & Videos in Schools

[ITGURU]

We get an increasing number of staff who say, can you just download this youtube video for me, (so they don't have to link from a powerpoint) or can you download this song so we can use on our presentation afternoons etc.

 

Also, can you copy this dvd to the network so that we can watch in lessons without needing the disc and getting scratched handed around.

 

Along with students that want to use music in projects.

 

What do you do in these situations, and what they can and cannot do. I know that the schools do have some kind of blanket license that covers some music purposes but doesn't specifically state about the us of Youtube etc. Whether it can be streamed in classrooms/presentations or what.

 

When you get requests like this, what is your response and / or what do you do.

 

Films that are watched at end of term or in lessons have to be recorded on a list, and as for Rock Challenge they have their own separate license requests they have to make.

 

This question has probably been asked elsewhere but a simple straight forward answer would give me something to push on to SLT to stop users carrying out illegal activities. I already ban them from bringing in and storing personal music and videos.

[3s-gtech]

You can't just violate the terms of the original copyright. Schools do have some leeway (with the correct licenses in place) with regards to playing music and DVDs from their original medium, but ripping them or grabbing dodgy copies from the internet is out (even with the recent changes in law, because you're effectively file sharing when they're placed on the shares). It's pretty simple really - when we're asked to do this, we say no. You can't break the law just because it's for education. You can however, advise them as to a legal solution, whether that be buying their own department copies, enabling Youtube, purchasing MP3s etc.

[ITGURU]

I'm well aware myself what we cannot do, but it's telling staff we cannot do it.

 

So if they purchase an MP3 I assume it would have to be done through the school, rather than purchasing personally and then using within the school for assemblies/presentations?

[Cache]

Would this help? Copyright & Schools: photocopy, scan, screen or broadcast copyright resources in classrooms - simple advice for teachers

[ITGURU]

Would this help? Copyright & Schools: photocopy, scan, screen or broadcast copyright resources in classrooms - simple advice for teachers

 

 

It's where I originally went to look for information, although It doesn't cover youtube etc.

[VeryPC_Anthony_L]

Having worked in 2 different schools and as someone who would always suggest downloading a youtube video for a powerpoint, there are copyright issues surrounding all of these, but there are also licenses available. Any videos and music which are used ideally should be owned by the School. If a DVD is copied to a digital format ideally the original DVD should be owned by the school.

Most finance / business managers will generally prefer to spend money paying for a license and actually these do not necessarily cost much.

 

The truth is teachers will always want to use videos etc from youtube, its not trying to stop this but actually working with them to make sure that they understand what can and cant be done.

[ITGURU]

Having worked in 2 different schools and as someone who would always suggest downloading a youtube video for a powerpoint, there are copyright issues surrounding all of these, but there are also licenses available. Any videos and music which are used ideally should be owned by the School. If a DVD is copied to a digital format ideally the original DVD should be owned by the school.

Most finance / business managers will generally prefer to spend money paying for a license and actually these do not necessarily cost much.

 

The truth is teachers will always want to use videos etc from youtube, its not trying to stop this but actually working with them to make sure that they understand what can and cant be done.

 

Can you let me know what licenses these are? I know we have several and some are blanket licenses for the DFE.

Thanks

[3s-gtech]

You can't get a license to rip school DVDs to a share, nor to violate Youtube's ToS. It's the file sharing bit that really complicates things here, and raises the risk of fines/major infringement. Essentially, you'd be allowing everyone on your network to use a single licensed copy. IANAL, so read as much as you can about it.

 

Telling teachers is the easy part, you just need to have the legal information behind you and the details about what you can and cannot do. They cannot force you to break the law, whinging or not. A crib sheet to email out to them could be handy, with a list of what is and isn't allowed.

 

For instance, look at item L: in Youtube's ToS

 

you agree not to access Content or any reason other than your personal, non-commercial use solely as intended through and permitted by the normal functionality of the Service, and solely for Streaming. "Streaming" means a contemporaneous digital transmission of the material by YouTube via the Internet to a user operated Internet enabled device in such a manner that the data is intended for real-time viewing and not intended to be downloaded (either permanently or temporarily), copied, stored, or redistributed by the user.

 

Also look at:

 

https://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/ukcs/docs/edupack.pdf

http://www.ukmusic.org/assets/general/APPROVED_JUDGMENT_BASCA_second_hearing.pdf

[ITGURU]

I know there isn't a license which allows you to rip them. I was more on about the various licenses that are available in education for streaming online services in classrooms such as 4OD, Youtube, ITV player etc..

 

You can't get a license to rip school DVDs to a share, nor to violate Youtube's ToS. It's the file sharing bit that really complicates things here, and raises the risk of fines/major infringement. Essentially, you'd be allowing everyone on your network to use a single licensed copy. IANAL, so read as much as you can about it.

 

Telling teachers is the easy part, you just need to have the legal information behind you and the details about what you can and cannot do. They cannot force you to break the law, whinging or not. A crib sheet to email out to them could be handy, with a list of what is and isn't allowed.

 

For instance, look at item L: in Youtube's ToS

 

you agree not to access Content or any reason other than your personal, non-commercial use solely as intended through and permitted by the normal functionality of the Service, and solely for Streaming. "Streaming" means a contemporaneous digital transmission of the material by YouTube via the Internet to a user operated Internet enabled device in such a manner that the data is intended for real-time viewing and not intended to be downloaded (either permanently or temporarily), copied, stored, or redistributed by the user.

 

Also look at:

 

https://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/ukcs/docs/edupack.pdf

http://www.ukmusic.org/assets/general/APPROVED_JUDGMENT_BASCA_second_hearing.pdf

[HarryMonkey]

You can't just violate the terms of the original copyright. Schools do have some leeway (with the correct licenses in place) with regards to playing music and DVDs from their original medium, but ripping them or grabbing dodgy copies from the internet is out (even with the recent changes in law, because you're effectively file sharing when they're placed on the shares). It's pretty simple really - when we're asked to do this, we say no. You can't break the law just because it's for education. You can however, advise them as to a legal solution, whether that be buying their own department copies, enabling Youtube, purchasing MP3s etc.

 

The recent changes in the law have been overturned by the High Court. Format shifting is still illegal in this country.

[psydii]

The Department for Eduction pays for many of these:

 

https://www.gov.uk/copyright-licences-information-for-schools

[Marci]

In terms of YouTube / Vimeo etc, you may not remove / download content from YouTube... end of. You may stream it from their site, or via their sanctioned embed code on your own VLE / Site.

 

Have a look from about half-way down in this post: #7

[3s-gtech]

The recent changes in the law have been overturned by the High Court. Format shifting is still illegal in this country.

 

I actually knew that, but didn't put it in the post for some reason. I even read the court papers! You're correct of course.

[robjduk]

Every now and again I put all the known youtube downloaders into my AV to kill off as well as blocking download sites. I do it every 8-12 weeks or so when ever a teacher annoys me enough.