2015 Election

[LosOjos]

No, no, what you need is a 'mind bleach' song.. A song that gets stuck in your head that actually like.

 

Mnah mnah, do dooo doo doo dooo

 

[tmcd35]

I'm not sure about this whole "power to the cities" idea. Where I work might as well be renamed to Capita City; can't see that it would be great if they had even more power.

 

As a general principle I think power should be devolved to the appropriate level closest to the people it effects. But I do agree "power to the cities" doesn't seem the right approach. I'd like to the regions (Regions of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) get the same level of devolution as Scotland (and Wales, and NI also).

[pcstru]

I think we're mixing 2 things up.

I refer you to the dictionary definition I linked to earlier.

Respect is still earned, 100% in my mind. It is a feeling.

That "it is a feeing" is certainly close to one definition (3).

Being respectful is akin to being polite. It is an action.

Sure, respect can be used as a verb (9).

I don't "respect" people on Edugeek, or in my workplace, unless they have done something to earn that respect. However, I behave in a respectful/polite manner towards all people unless they've done something to deserve differently.

Which is getting on to definition (4) - respect for a privileged position.

 

I think you just need to accept that the word "respect" has more proper meanings than you want to give it. I respect posters on Edugeek for no other reason than their privileged status as members of the forum. That respect means I will (try to) behave respectfully towards them even if I do not respect their view or opinion on a particular subject. The verb, the act of showing respect, is inexorably linked to the fact that you do "respect" them.

[LosOjos]

@pcstru - you know, there's a place for people like you - Pedantic Geeks

[Garacesh]

I think you just need to accept that the word "respect" has more proper meanings than you want to give it.

Tell that to the people that made 'Figuratively' and 'Literally' the same thing.

[CAM]

Powerhouse of the North will link the major cities with East/West transport links, something in high demand if the tales coming from that area are true! Not just second hand Thameslink stock but a proper network to cut travel times.

 

Add in HS2 linking to somewhere in the hub and you should see tremendous growth from all the business links. Maybe a Eurostar from the south of France to Manchester if the scheme is successful?

[pcstru]

@pcstru - you know, there's a place for people like you - Pedantic Geeks

Heh! I try not to be too pedantic but, IMO many arguments/disagreements are actually no more than people using the same words to mean different things. The 'argument' is actually a process of establishing definitions. People in strong agreement sum this up with the saying "we speak the same language". @localzuk says respect is always earned but then talks about acting with respect for people for other reasons. If acting with respect to X is not a state of having respect for X, then I must be missing something in the language - or perhaps, as I think is the case, he is.

[Garacesh]

I'm still agreeing with @localzuk.. Acting respectful towards somebody and having respect for them are two different things. Just as acting disrespectful towards somebody and not having respect for them are two different things. The vast majority of time they may correlate, sure, but that doesn't mean they're one and the same.

 

Take for example, the word "Realise" (or Realize). To realise something is to understand, or to know what you previously didn't. (He realised that he was being a bit of a grammar pedant) It also means to make real (Her spell, however, backfired, and her worst fears were realised not two feet from her.) It also means (apparently..) to convert into money (to realise ones assets). Now, you can use the world 'Realise' to only mean one of these things, and it is not grammatically incorrect even though it is not being used to mean the others. Language is flexible. It evolves. That's how the abomination that is the word 'Twerk' is in the dictionary now.

[LeMarchand]

I still can't grasp the distinction. Anyway, going off topic, but what does it mean if you respeck or disrespeck someone?

[Garacesh]

R. E. S.

T. E. C. P.

Do you even know w'at dat spells?

 

But yes, we digress.

 

So what does all this local power stuff actually mean? Do we just get to decide local stuff like what busses run? Do we get to make our own local laws (akin to US States) about what is or isn't illegal? Or are we just going to end up with a ginormous cluster:censored: that makes one thing get you a fine in county A but not in county B?

[Andrew_C]

Or are we just going to end up with a ginormous cluster:censored:

A government initiative, of any colour, and you have to ask that?

[localzuk]

If acting with respect to X is not a state of having respect for X, then I must be missing something in the language - or perhaps, as I think is the case, he is.

 

Behaving respectfully is part of the "rules". Opening a door for someone is an act of respect. I do it for anyone and everyone. I don't actually respect some of those people - in fact, for some people I actively have feelings of disrespect towards them. However, in polite society it is wrong to slam a door repeatedly into someone's face, so instead I act with respect.

[LeMarchand]

Or are we just going to end up with a ginormous cluster:censored: that makes one thing get you a fine in county A but not in county B?

 

Allegedly it's still legal to kill a Scotsman in York if he's carrying a bow and arrow, so not much change there! (If I was Nicola Sturgeon I'd be very wary of an invite from Boris to a "Robin Hood" themed fancy dress event in the city).

[Garacesh]

Allegedly it's still legal to kill a Scotsman in York if he's carrying a bow and arrow, so not much change there! (If I was Nicola Sturgeon I'd be very wary of an invite from Boris to a "Robin Hood" themed fancy dress event in the city).

 

AFAIK, not since the Statute Law (Repeals) Act 2013, I'm afraid.

[LeMarchand]

AFAIK, not since the Statute Law (Repeals) Act 2013, I'm afraid.

 

There's always someone who ruins a perfectly good story with the facts!

 

Though I did do a couple of quick searches through the pdf and couldn't find anything that looked likely. However, as my bank account will show, IANAL. I have now stored the bow and arrow I was keeping in case I ever saw a Frenchman on Southsea common away for now, just in case.

[pcstru]

Behaving respectfully is part of the "rules".

So it might be fair to say you respect the rules? If respect must be won, how can something such as "the rules" win respect?

[Garacesh]

So it might be fair to say you respect the rules? If respect must be won, how can something such as "the rules" win respect?

 

By being considered fair and appropriate.

You wouldn't consider a rule that stated "All members of staff must wear crotchless underwear." to be fair and appropriate, and thus would not respect the rule (in all likelihood nor the establishment it represents)

A rule that states "Underwear must not be visible beneath your clothing." may be seen to be appropriate, and therefore not sag your pants like a buffoon (or maybe you just don't do it because you're sane..)

Edited May 15, 2015 by Garacesh

[localzuk]

So it might be fair to say you respect the rules? If respect must be won, how can something such as "the rules" win respect?

 

No, I follow the rules. Respect is still earned... I respect certain laws, as they provide for a safe, stable and positive civilised society. I understand the need for those lose, and I understand what they have done for us. Therefore, they have earned my respect. Other laws, I don't respect as I believe they damage our society. However, I follow both sets of laws, as if I didn't I'd end up in court.

[X-13]

However, I follow both sets of laws, as if I didn't I'd end up in court.

 

Not that that matters any more, thanks to David "following the law doesn't mean we won't arrest you" Cameron...

[localzuk]

Not that that matters any more, thanks to David "following the law doesn't mean we won't arrest you" Cameron...

 

Yeah, that's slightly terrifying!

[CAM]

Large scale protest planned next weekend followed by a rail strike on bank holiday Monday. Not going so well for the new government....

[Andrew_C]

Read this on the Beeb site. Shows what inequality we really do have in the West.

 

Headline Numbers: Is UK inequality as bad as in the US? - BBC News

[sonofsanta]

Chuka Umunna withdraws Labour leader bid - BBC News

 

Disappointed. I think Labour needs a new generation and Umunna was well placed to get Labour back to winning ways with his centrist approach.

 

With Dan Jarvis ruling himself out as well (for perfectly understandable reasons) I'm not sure I like any of the horses left in the race :/

[Norphy]

Chuka Umunna withdraws Labour leader bid - BBC News

 

Disappointed. I think Labour needs a new generation and Umunna was well placed to get Labour back to winning ways with his centrist approach.

 

With Dan Jarvis ruling himself out as well (for perfectly understandable reasons) I'm not sure I like any of the horses left in the race :/

 

At the same time, he has only one parliament of experience behind him, he was only elected in 2010. I think that under those circumstances and at only 36, he may be a bit young and inexperienced to lead one of the nation's top parliamentary parties. Even Tony Blair was in his 40s when he got the Labour leadership and he'd been an MP for over ten years.

[LeMarchand]

Chuka Umunna withdraws Labour leader bid - BBC News

 

Disappointed. I think Labour needs a new generation and Umunna was well placed to get Labour back to winning ways with his centrist approach.

 

Although it would probably be a better option for the party come election time, I'm not convinced that what the country needs is a Blairite. Why do we need "Blue Labour", when we already have a "Blue" party who are pretty good at doing what they do?