Guest Guest Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Just got my grade and im not best pleased. Grade D for a technician which is just under £14.5k pa. Dunno what to do, fight for more money or just pack my bags and leave. As it stands im on more money than my grade allows so no prospects of more money there, and itll be a while before the NM job comes up which pays a whoping £2.5k more pa! Big fecking wow Not best pleased So whats everyone else on?
webman Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Best pop down to B&Q/Morrisons/Asda and get an application form That sucks, sorry to hear about that
tech_guy Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 I'm gonna get je-shafted next year so I'm already looking to jump ship.
Guest Guest Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Best pop down to B&Q/Morrisons/Asda and get an application form That sucks, sorry to hear about that The worst thing is i know tesco workers who are on near enough the sam wage. Even the bloody cleaners are not far off a grade D. Not happy. Might go on a solo strike lol
pallen Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 As I understand it, you cant fight for more money as it is not a process to identify what people are paid,but what scale they fit into. (honestly - it's not cost cutting ) I believe the only thing you can do is identify parts of your job that have been missed which may have resulted in a better review (higher grade) I have been told that what they are trying to do is evaluate the level of responsibility people have and not their workload. I believe your best bet would be to write down everything that you do and compare that with the job that you have been evaluated to. From that you will be able to see if you have been incorrectly evaluated or if that is how they value the job you do. If that is how they value your job, I think it is time to start buying the jobs paper again.
Halfmad Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 This is one of the reasons I'm leaving, we had it in our authority - "single status". Essentially all of the grades have been messed up. Technicians - now have a marginally lower top grade. Senior Techs - Lower top grade. Network managers - lower bottom and top grade, great if you were at the bottom as you've got a pay rise, but you can't rise as far as before. Analysts - Now have a lower grade than network managers but up to the same maximum salary. I worked out that it'd take me 7years to have my pay increase by £1 on what it currently is. 4 year pay freeze, drop of about £1100 then 3 years of it increasing by cost of living.. such a moral booster - hence my signature. It sounds like you chaps are in the same boat, sadly all it means it staff leaving and with my job it becoming a stepping stone to other things as the grading is now so small (£21.5K - £24K).
Halfmad Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 As I understand it, you cant fight for more money as it is not a process to identify what people are paid,but what scale they fit into. (honestly - it's not cost cutting ) I believe the only thing you can do is identify parts of your job that have been missed which may have resulted in a better review (higher grade) I have been told that what they are trying to do is evaluate the level of responsibility people have and not their workload. I believe your best bet would be to write down everything that you do and compare that with the job that you have been evaluated to. From that you will be able to see if you have been incorrectly evaluated or if that is how they value the job you do. If that is how they value your job, I think it is time to start buying the jobs paper again. I hate to say it but if I were management in such a large scheme I'd have my excuses covered for 99% of the appeals that were put in. I could have appealed, but decided to move job, ultimately both win - I get better paid and the council get ot pay less for someone new, only the school could potentially lose.
Guest Guest Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Senior Techs - Lower top grade. as the grading is now so small (£21.5K - £24K). Senior tech? Whats that then? Our council have said you are either a NM or a tech and as such there are 2 grades; D and G with nothing inbetween. £21.5-24k !!!!!!! Our grade G is £17ish-18ish. Where abouts in scotland are you? Any jobs? No really, i quite like glasgow and edinburgh!
PEO Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 worst thing is j17sparky is works 2 mile away from me and does the same job yet i've been graded a G £18,5** a year. Puzzles me how that works
russdev Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 First thing is as said start appeal proccess and write everything down you etc. Second talk to your head as they have some power they can change your duties enough to mean you are on next grade up. Talk to your union... you are in union can't see why anyone working education wouldn't be as just asking for trouble that is. Make lot of noise with other staff as think was staffordshire staff who nearly went to strike over it and council backed down and went back to the drawing board. Russell
Pottsey Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 In Nottingham we have lower and higher grade techs do you not have high grade? Our high grade is at least 16k. Can you not show them this and try to argue they are underpaying compareing to the same job in other schools? http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/njebookletrevision1.pdf http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/ittechniciansecsc6.doc http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/ittechniciansecsc4.doc
Joanne Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 I'm classed as an IT Technician and I'm on 12.7k... they were gonna give me less but my boss got me a couple of extra hundred pounds on that one.
DevilsAdvocate Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Primary IT Tech - £11.4k 32.5hrs a week, term time only. Rob.
E_S_P Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Hi all - newbie day for me today so hello !!! I started here as a Network Manager on just over 17k 3 years ago. It is a full time post btw, but I was offered an SO 1-2 grade within 3 months keep me. I basically came here to escape a company from hell, (I was a Systems Admin), and I think they realised I only took it as a temp post. I feel I was offered the grade mainly as they were in very, very deep poo at the time. (That taught them not to give admin rights on the network to ICT Teaching Staff ) Currently I am not quite mid way in my grade and I am on just over 25k - I think it tops out around 32k ish?? Reading this thread, I feel part ashamed and embarassed by posting mine, but also quite f****##g angry at the general pay levels that fellow IT professionals being expected to take. Oh dear - my 1st day and on with a rant already....!! 8O
kestrel1 Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Network Manager about 18k. Things is I have little help, apart from a non IT person for 1.5 hours a day. Any technical stuff I am doing all on my own. I have told SMT, but you know what it's like. (sorry, no money for a technician) I started on the IT side about 7 years ago on 11k, but the network was a hell of a lot smaller & I was only the technician. Head of ICT (teacher) was the NM, they have since left & I got lumbered. Still, it's a job. Pays the mortgage (just)
Guest Guest Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Cheers for the input everyone. One thing i should have really asked first is have you gone through the job evaluation, which would have given me a better picture. Its just bizarre that one school/council can pay nearly double that of another for exactly the same job. Ahhh! Im mighty pished off! Can ya tell? Still, it's a job. Pays the mortgage (just) See thats the bit im pished with. With the current market, interest rates rising, etc, i have absolutely zero chance of ever buying a house on my wages, even with the NM job theres no chance. I love my job but i cant live with my parents for the rest of my life
webman Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Durham hasn't caught up yet - might be a good thing! I'm on £15k, haven't a clue where I'll be once JE is complete.
tomscaper Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Full time here, i am on 13k, work 37 hours a week. NM is full time, 37 hrs a week on 22k
Sylv3r Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Durham hasn't caught up yet - might be a good thing! I'm on £15k, haven't a clue where I'll be once JE is complete. Fingers crossed you will go up - it will be back dated to April 2005 if you do, which will give you a nice few quid to spend. Depending on your job title it appears you get graded schools as far as I am aware can argue that you do additonal tasks over and beyond a basic technician to boost up the pay slightly.
Guest Guest Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Durham hasn't caught up yet - might be a good thing! I'm on £15k, haven't a clue where I'll be once JE is complete. Fingers crossed you will go up - it will be back dated to April 2005 if you do, which will give you a nice few quid to spend. Depending on your job title it appears you get graded schools as far as I am aware can argue that you do additonal tasks over and beyond a basic technician to boost up the pay slightly. Thats what i thought but my HT is unable/unwilling to do so
Midget Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 so things haven't improved in the last 6months then? Guess I should give up considering going back into School NMing as I'm now earning more in a very boring office job. Look on the bright side, when you go home and someone asks what you did today, you can say "I did blah blah blah, updated this, discovered a new way to improve X" etc etc and you can feel like you've achieved something My only answer is "I sat on a chair and did feck all" Anyone want to hire a welsh NM for £30k?
pooley Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 NM on 24k - was lucky my school fought to keep me and made an S01 post for me to fit into, was Senior Tech on 18k
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