[POLL] Should Scotland be an independent country?

[localzuk]

Indeed @Dos_Box. Look at the South West or North East! Both have been pretty much ignored for 30 years. Nothing special about Scotland there.

[featured_spectre]

Federalisation wouldn't be a bad thing...It has worked in many nations, Germany, France, America, Canada, Australia...

[Dos_Box]

Federalisation wouldn't be a bad thing...It has worked in many nations, Germany, France, America, Canada, Australia...

 

It would if every region was starting on an equal footing, but they won't be.

[SovietRussia]

Federalisation wouldn't be a bad thing...It has worked in many nations, Germany, France, America, Canada, Australia...

 

But can you have Federalisation with a constitutional monarchy? Before Scotland was devolved they look at Federalisation and concluded that devolution was better etc

[featured_spectre]

Australia and Canada successfully became Federalised with a Monarchy

[SovietRussia]

Australia and Canada successfully became Federalised with a Monarchy

 

Very true! I actually think that would be a more of a sensible solution, each country then gets the best of a local legislature and governance but also the best of a centrally mandated parliament which issues federal laws, executive etc. Each State then retains its 'character' while still be apart of the "United States of Great Britain"

[sparkeh]

Just noticed that The Scotsman has come out for the No side: Scotland’s decision: The Scotsman’s verdict - The Scotsman

Also latest polls are putting the Nos ahead again (according to Scottish papers) - eg the The Daily Record poll puts the Nos 6% ahead again.

[pcstru]

I see the "yes" campaign have finally bought in their secret weapon :

 

From the BBC :

"And UKIP leader Nigel Farage will hold a "pro-Union" rally in Glasgow with fellow UKIP politicians,"

[featured_spectre]

If Scotland splits from the Union, they will become foreigners and therefore become hated by the Daily Mail. I'm undecided if the Scots deserve this..

[Hefferzzzz]

If Scotland splits from the Union, they will become foreigners and therefore become hated by the Daily Mail. I'm undecided if the Scots deserve this..

 

Will UKIP demand that all Scots be deported? 'Bringing their McDonalds restaurants down here taking jobs away from hard working English Greggs employees.'

[Dos_Box]

Anyone seen this from Sky News yet?

 

 

Certain circles have been talking about Murdock being all in favour of a Yes vote as he can then hoover up the newly created media gaps in Scotland.

[featured_spectre]

#British problems! lol

[pcstru]

If Scotland splits from the Union, they will become foreigners and therefore become hated by the Daily Mail. I'm undecided if the Scots deserve this..

I would have thought that is a badge of honour for any civilised being.

[sted]

Anyone seen this from Sky News yet?

 

Certain circles have been talking about Murdock being all in favour of a Yes vote as he can then hoover up the newly created media gaps in Scotland.

 

i cant think of a better reason for voting no then than annoying murdoch he has proven he shouldnt be allowed to run a school newspaper never mind an international propaganda machine

[Dos_Box]

I thought this was a Daily Mash article the first time I read it:

 

He claimed there is talk of a “boycott” of John Lewis, banks to be split up, and new law to force Ryder Cup sponsor Standard Life to explain to unions its reasons for moving outside Scotland.

He said: “This referendum is about power, and when we get a Yes majority, we will use that power for a day of reckoning with BP and the banks.

 

“The heads of these companies are rich men, in cahoots with a rich English Tory Prime Minister, to keep Scotland’s poor, poorer through lies and distortions. The power they have now to subvert our democracy will come to an end with a Yes.”

He added: “BP, in an independent Scotland, will need to learn the meaning of nationalisation, in part or in whole, as it has in other countries who have not been as soft as we have forced to be. We will be the masters of the oil fields, not BP or any other of the majors.”

 

He said that under an independent Scotland, Standard Life would be required by new employment laws to give two years warning of any redundancies - and reveal to the trade unions its financial reasons for relocation to any country outside of Scotland.

 

Sadly not: ‘Day of reckoning’ post-Yes vote, says Jim Sillars - The Scotsman

[featured_spectre]

If Scotland do gain independence, does this mean Capaldi will be the first immigrant Dr Who?

 

I know David Tennant, Sylvester McCoy, and Steven Moffat are Scottish also, but Capaldi would be working as a migrant worker, whereas they didn't.

[Gatt]

If Scotland do gain independence, does this mean Capaldi will be the first immigrant Dr Who?

 

I know David Tennant, Sylvester McCoy, and Steven Moffat are Scottish also, but Capaldi would be working as a migrant worker, whereas they didn't.

 

 

**Bites tongue, and keeps the race card firmly in his back pocket**

[featured_spectre]

haha. I don't mean to cause offense, but it is a technicality (FYI, I would be classified as a migrant worker being half Scottish, Half German).

[localzuk]

I thought this was a Daily Mash article the first time I read it:

 

Sadly not: ‘Day of reckoning’ post-Yes vote, says Jim Sillars - The Scotsman

 

Hey, the guy is entitled to say such things. The international community would laugh and isolate Scotland if it did such things though, severely damaging any investment. They'd basically become the Venezuela of the British Isles...

[Gatt]

haha. I don't mean to cause offense, but it is a technicality (FYI, I would be classified as a migrant worker being half Scottish, Half German).

 

None taken ... yet!

 

However, a similar "joke" has been getting banded about round the office here, and is really not that funny when people are talking about "forcibly repatriating" all Scots back up north in the event of a Yes vote - and by saying that we'd have less rights than rUk or, at least until EU entry is determinded, other EU citizens.

 

[Hefferzzzz]

I thought this was a Daily Mash article the first time I read it:

 

 

 

Sadly not: ‘Day of reckoning’ post-Yes vote, says Jim Sillars - The Scotsman

 

 

Chip on shoulder?

[Hefferzzzz]

None taken ... yet!

 

However, a similar "joke" has been getting banded about round the office here, and is really not that funny when people are talking about "forcibly repatriating" all Scots back up north in the event of a Yes vote - and by saying that we'd have less rights than rUk or, at least until EU entry is determinded, other EU citizens.

 

 

Yeah but none of that will happen because Salmond said that Scotland will be straight into the EU the day after the vote so no worries.

 

 

In all honesty, I think there will be an emergency bill pushed though Westminster to give special rights to Scottish workers to put them on a par with EU workers.

[Crumpet]

I thought this was a Daily Mash article the first time I read it:

 

 

 

Sadly not: ‘Day of reckoning’ post-Yes vote, says Jim Sillars - The Scotsman

 

"We will be the masters of the oil fields, not BP or any other of the majors.” <----- This didn't bode well for Saddam Hussein.

[andyturpie]

For me as an ex-pat who has spent 50% of my life on each side of the border, a yes would be an interesting time. Old Scotland would cease to exist and a new nation will be born. That means that I would lose my nationality and become a neutral and for one would be pleased. From what I have seen from the last few months online from Yes/No/Scotland/England camps is bile and hatred being spewed, families falling out with one and other etc. over this referendum. Nationalism and patriotism is another social cancer like most other "isms". I fail to see why people get so wound up about their place of birth, It is no something that was in their control and merely the place their parents got their leg over, if people put as much effort into pursuing personal goals then society might be a bit better.

 

What ever way the vote goes, near on half the voters won't be happy with the result making further divisions within communities.

 

Such is life....

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