PS4 Announced

[SYNACK]

Not really my point - I meant there won't be a point in having a separate console from a PC from a media player for obvious reasons.

 

DDR5 in a PC, I wish, anyhow it all comes down to artificial market differentiation, why sell one product when you can sell three. Thank the marketing and management schools for that one.

[Rawns]

Not forgetting Steams venture into the 'PC/Console' world in the not too distant future. Will it be classed as a console? A PC? A hybrid? They will be one to closely monitor as if they nail it, maybe Future Microsoft & Sony offerings will be more PC-like with the ability to download full games to their devices.

[SYNACK]

Not forgetting Steams venture into the 'PC/Console' world in the not too distant future. Will it be classed as a console? A PC? A hybrid? They will be one to closely monitor as if they nail it, maybe Future Microsoft & Sony offerings will be more PC-like with the ability to download full games to their devices.

 

That's the system they have wanted for a while but there are still places where downloading a medium sized game could cost $10 just in data charges if you're on the wrong plan or in the wrong place. It is not suitable for everywhere, I still have to check my data meter so I don't blow the cap and get billed more in overage than I pay to insure my car on top of the base charges.

[Guest Guest]

I definitely think Sony have been generous in terms of the amount of memory compared to the PS3. This will certainly help with games running at a full 1080p or indeed 4K later on. 4K's essentially 4 x HD for those that don't know.

 

4k is 4 squared x HD = 16 x HD. IMO the spec doesn't look generous enough, especially when on paper my radeon 6870 which I bought over 2 years ago is pretty similar. Yes the games will be optimised but when you consider the last generation of console came out with killer spec which PC gamers could only match with £1000s (at time of release), and the fact the manufacturers like to make the consoles last 6+ years, and we're at a resolution far higher than we have ever been before...

 

Controller - Sony, learn will you. Your current controller was good in the 90s but it just isn't designed with the analogue sticks in mind. Even the most devout Sony fanboys (I know) hate the controller now - most converted to xbox, partly at least, because of it. And a touch screen, just why? Talk about using technology for the sake of it!

Edited February 21, 2013 by Guest

[localzuk]

4k is 4 squared x HD = 16 x HD. IMO the spec doesn't look generous enough, especially when on paper my radeon 6870 which I bought over 2 years ago is pretty similar. Yes the games will be optimised but when you consider the last generation of console came out with killer spec which PC gamers could only match with £1000s (at time of release), and the fact the manufacturers like to make the consoles last 6+ years, and we're at a resolution far higher than we have ever been before...

 

4K isn't 4 squared. It is 4x 1080p. It is 3840 × 2160 for TV, or 4096 × 2160 for Film.

[featured_spectre]

horses for courses, why do people get so upset that everyone isn't a fan of THEIR specific favourite.

 

I personally like to be able to sit on the couch after work, talk to the missus, and shoot people in their stupid faces over the internet on my PS3. Lots of my friends are on PSN, and I enjoy not having to play with graphics settings to get a game working properly. Also, I've a PS+ subscription, and every month I get a raft of games to play that I wouldn't have otherwise tried (red dead redemption, Bioshock 2, Sleeping Dogs, etc etc )

 

I also play steam games, but only when I have something I really wanna try out thats not available elsewhere. I don't have a dedicated gaming rig, cause it'd have to go in the study - I don't really wanna be cut off from my missus when I only get to see her 3 evenings out of 7.

 

Why is that an issue?

 

QFT!

 

Domino is right on the mark here. Having had both consoles, I stuck with xbox because more of my friends are there, and I get what I want out of it. I am an xbox fanboy, but I won't outright rip someone apart because they like PC/PS3/Wii or whatever.

[SYNACK]

Few questions

 

3. If it is 4k compatible then will they release 4k blu rays for movies etc ?

 

I'm sure Sony will be along when they are ready with a whole new string of 4k titles so that you can gratefully rebuy all the titles that you own. They may need a blood sample too so they can make sure that only you or your perfect clone can consume their DRM content.

[Guest Guest]

4K isn't 4 squared. It is 4x 1080p. It is 3840 × 2160 for TV, or 4096 × 2160 for Film.

 

Doh, that would be 8k then lol. Last I heard the Japs were missing out 4k in terms of braodcast TV as it's a bit of a pointless step up.

Still stand by my point though. We all know how much difference in terms of FPS a little change in resolution makes. I can see the next gen consoles falling behind PCs much quicker this time around.

 

 

The one thing I've seen mentioned before is the 3d "split" screen where one set of specs does left eye and the other set does right eye. Any mention of this?

Edited February 21, 2013 by Guest

[Michael]

Few questions

 

1. How much will it cost ?

2. Any photos of what the console and controllers look like ?

3. If it is 4k compatible then will they release 4k blu rays for movies etc ?

 

1. Probably £500+ in the UK. The PS3 was £450, but could be bought on import for £300. Guess what I did lol

2. No photos as yet, but I suspect dev kits are out there already.

3. I believe blu-ray theoretically can hold up to 200GB using a double layer/quad layer arrangement. Something HD DVD could never do.

[Michael]

I still think 4K is going to be stunning, but only on larger screens. You're not going to notice on 32"-40" which is probably the most common sizes sold.

 

I think the demand is there, simply because there are customers who want TV screens the size of their wall

[tmcd35]

Watched the presentation despite late night tiredness and a dodgy 240p stream and was quiet buoyed by it. Sony have made all the right noises for me. The specs are about right and the move to x86 (note - it's not a PC!) architecture was a good one. I'm liking the look of the controller. The game demos, especially Watch Dogs, had me wanting to part with cash. Announcing Gaikai integration as pleased me.

 

My only question remains - what are they going to do for PS+, especially the instant games collection? The right answer would have me buying day one.

 

That said, I'm still very interested to see what both Valve and Microsoft bring to the table. I think MS are going to be focusing around the Kennect 2 as the big feature for their next gen, which won't interest me. If Valve can deliver a good gamepad experience and some kind of subscription gaming model then they may yet win me over.

 

Interesting times for those of use who like large tv screens and gamepads over small screens, keyboards and mice!

Edited February 21, 2013 by tmcd35

[synaesthesia]

Shouldn't be the case. People should already have one box doing it all, and able to choose what inputs they want. But marketing won't allow it because they're scared.

 

Daft thing is that box already exists. Just needs the right software and marketing with less diparity between the millions of configuration options.

[TechMonkey]

I thought Sony had stated they wanted the cost to be under £300?

[Michael]

I thought Sony had stated they wanted the cost to be under £300?

 

$300 US maybe, but I doubt £300 unless they sell it at a huge loss. You couldn't build a PC of similar spec for £300 and even with Sony's bulk buying powers, I can't see it selling for less than £500 in the UK initially.

[tmcd35]

$300 US maybe, but I doubt £300 unless they sell it at a huge loss. You couldn't build a PC of similar spec for £300 and even with Sony's bulk buying powers, I can't see it selling for less than £500 in the UK initially.

 

Current rumors suggest £3-400. Any more than that would be too expensive this time out, it won't have the uniqueness of the blu-ray player to offset such a high price.

 

As for Sony's buying power - you go to AMD and request 70million custom APU's and see what price you come back with

 

Also try not to compare too closely with PC specs, it's not so cut and dry as you might first think.

[localzuk]

The use of GDDR5 is interesting for system RAM as well as GFX RAM. Wonder if it'll buoy the PC industry to speed forward with RAM in general? I'm thinking unlikely.

[Theblacksheep]

As for Sony's buying power - you go to AMD and request 70million custom APU's and see what price you come back with

 

Also try not to compare too closely with PC specs, it's not so cut and dry as you might first think.

 

Second point is very relevant, theres another lower power chip for running the OS and background tasks. Means the CPU, 8gb ram and GPU can concentrate on the game and not many graphics cards have 6-7gb ram available to them.

[HaleStorm]

They have used GDDR5 as system RAM so they could use X86 system architecture and still use the full amount, well thats the only reason I can see for using it anyway

[HaleStorm]

Also....This big announcement...Why didn't we get to see the actual console?

[localzuk]

Also....This big announcement...Why didn't we get to see the actual console?

 

They did that with the PS3, then changed its design. Maybe they're trying not to.

[andrew_91090]

With the PS3 not selling as well as expected and the XBox being cheaper, they can't afford for the PS4 to over £400 really.

 

and rumours are that PS are waiting for XBox to bring there new one out to reveal their design.

 

Is it just me or does anyone else think this is stupid? PS got hacked quite easily a few times over the last few years, but now they've brought out a system "you can play someone else's game if they are stuck", is this not just asking to be hacked right there??

[tmcd35]

They have used GDDR5 as system RAM so they could use X86 system architecture and still use the full amount, well thats the only reason I can see for using it anyway

 

I'm not sure that is quiet right. Sony made a big thing last night of saying this is a console designed by developers, for developers. Their design decisions make a lot of sense in that light. There is nothing special about GDDR5 compared to DDR3, ram is ram, other than it is faster - which is why Sony used it. Devs prefer unified Ram so they can set how much the cpu and gpu has access to for their individual game requirements, thats what Sony have done. Devs prefer the x86 instruction for obvious (pc) reasons, so thats what Sony have used.

Edited February 21, 2013 by tmcd35

[TechMonkey]

$300 US maybe, but I doubt £300 unless they sell it at a huge loss. You couldn't build a PC of similar spec for £300 and even with Sony's bulk buying powers, I can't see it selling for less than £500 in the UK initially.

 

Sauce with chips

[Domino]

With the PS3 not selling as well as expected and the XBox being cheaper, they can't afford for the PS4 to over £400 really.

 

Source?

 

IDC: Total PS3 sales top Xbox 360 | ITworld

[andrew_91090]

Source?

 

IDC: Total PS3 sales top Xbox 360 | ITworld

 

It's just what I over heard earlier on, to be honest, I am an XBox man myself and I do believe PS have lost some fan base due to the whole hacking thing that's gone on.