JackTheLad Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 I have recently completed an ICT apprenticeship. The good news is I have been offered a permanent job, however the travel would require a round trip of 120 miles a day. The travel would be paid at 45p a mile and the journey takes around an hour maybe an hour and a half in traffic. I was curious to know what others thought on this travel? Is there an average an ICT Tech travels? Be grateful for replies. Thanks
glennda Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 TBH you are lucky that they are going to pay for your Travels! There are not many companies/schools that will pay for your travel too work only travel incurred while at work (which might be worth checking its not that they are offering).
Fazza Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 That's very unusual, you normally only get paid travel expenses if you have to travel whilst at work - i.e. from one campus to another. Be careful though as you normally only get paid 45p for a set amount of miles and then a lower rate after that. 120 miles round-trip is far too far for me, it would have to be one fantastic job with a very hefty pay packet for me to even contemplate travelling that far! I currently travel 44 miles round-trip but in a few weeks it will only be 16 as I've got a new role closer to home.
AMLinington Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 If they are paying travel go for it. It tends to be lucrative as you probably won't spend 45p a mile. That being said, a 60 mile drive in the morning is a bit daunting especially in Winter. I have a 15 mile round trip to work and that still takes me 30 minutes. It depends on how long it is going to take you. A previous employer once asserted that they EXPECTED all employees to factor in an hours travelling time PER JOURNEY. I was repping for a games distributor and if a store was 2 hours away (Weymouth for example) I was expected to do 1 of those hours in my own time, so I was expected to be at store for 9am, but in the case of a 2 hour trip, 10am was the latest they would allow similarly I was not to leave until 4pm for a 2 hour drive home. It was a bit complicated but most of my 'patch' was within an hours commute so it sounds like you're probably looking at about an hour or so (traffic dependant). Are you sure they are paying your day-to-day travel and not 'out on site' travel?
JackTheLad Posted July 16, 2012 Author Posted July 16, 2012 If they are paying travel go for it. It tends to be lucrative as you probably won't spend 45p a mile. That being said, a 60 mile drive in the morning is a bit daunting especially in Winter. I have a 15 mile round trip to work and that still takes me 30 minutes. It depends on how long it is going to take you. A previous employer once asserted that they EXPECTED all employees to factor in an hours travelling time PER JOURNEY. I was repping for a games distributor and if a store was 2 hours away (Weymouth for example) I was expected to do 1 of those hours in my own time, so I was expected to be at store for 9am, but in the case of a 2 hour trip, 10am was the latest they would allow similarly I was not to leave until 4pm for a 2 hour drive home. It was a bit complicated but most of my 'patch' was within an hours commute so it sounds like you're probably looking at about an hour or so (traffic dependant). Are you sure they are paying your day-to-day travel and not 'out on site' travel? Yup I am certain they are paying day to day travel otherwise I would not do the job. I discussed with them I wanted 45p a mile and they have agreed that is what I will have. The journey takes about an hour its all one motorway, and your completely right I worked out Id be spending £300 a month on petrol and getting back around £1800. Hence why I want to take the job.
sippo Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 600 miles a week will take it out of you, especially when winter kicks in. It may 'only' be an hour, but that over a long distance will be tiring. Hope you have a decent car as well, because don't forget you will need to pay wear and tear costs.
Oaktech Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 I did it for a year when I started out, it is knackering. Expect to put your social life essentially on hold for it. Also, I didn't get paid to travel, and fuel was *a lot* cheaper in 1999!
broc Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 I would advise you to check with the Inland Revenue as I suspect your mileage payments will be subject to tax & you will need to declare it as part of your income. If you are 'commuting' you will not qualify for any business mileage allowance as journeys to and from your normal place of work do not qualify as work journeys. http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/mileage/employee-factsheet.pdf
Oaktech Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 My milage to work is 2.6 miles, should really cycle! I should really start cycling again... I did it for 9 months every day, but under pressure from OH i've bought a car to stop using her diesel all the time, and i've only cycled one day in 2 weeks. I'm getting lazy, and my route is only 3.5 miles!
tmcd35 Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 I should really start cycling again... I did it for 9 months every day, but under pressure from OH i've bought a car to stop using her diesel all the time, and i've only cycled one day in 2 weeks. I'm getting lazy, and my route is only 3.5 miles! I cycle a 30mi round trip 2-3 times a week (fair weather ).
AMLinington Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 Yup I am certain they are paying day to day travel otherwise I would not do the job. I discussed with them I wanted 45p a mile and they have agreed that is what I will have. The journey takes about an hour its all one motorway, and your completely right I worked out Id be spending £300 a month on petrol and getting back around £1800. Hence why I want to take the job. Assuming you get an average of 30 miles to the Gallon, that 120mile per day round trip is 4 Gallons a day. At a current price of around £6 a gallon, that makes £24 a day. Making it £120 a week (assuming you work 5 days per week). Over 4 weeks (a month) this is £480. Assuming you get 30 miles to the Gallon. You may drive a diesel at 50 to the gallon. If so: 120 miles at 50 miles to the gallon is 2.4 Gallons. 1 Gallon is 4.54l so if 1 litre of diesel is 138p, 1 gallon of diesel is £6.26 which brings your daily cost per journey down to £15.02. Which is £75.12 a week which is nearer your £300 a month mark. Both of these assume you are driving in optimum driving conditions at a steady speed. In reality you'll probably get more like 25-26 to the gallon in heavy traffic in any petrol car larger and older than an 04 Astra (LeBoyfriend gets 33 to the gallon in an 04 Astra 'around town', I get 26 to the gallon in a Y-reg Vectra 'around town'). LeFather drives like an old fart and prides himself on getting 56 to the gallon out of an 08 VW Passat on the motorway. Around town you're looking more like 40ish in a Passat sized car. On top of that you also need to factor in additional tyre and breakpad costs. You'll probably get around 15,000mi out of a set of tyres although that depends on the compound, brand, size and weight of car, how well balanced the wheels and tyres are etc That is 125 days at 120 mi a day. So you'll probably do 3-4 sets a year. At roughly £400 a set. I still reckon it is profitable for you, but how sustainable is it for your employer? Also I wouldn't want to drive 60 miles every day then do a full day of work - that is the same as driving Southampton to Oxford every day :-S The commute TO work won't be as much pain as the commute home. I suspect.
Fazza Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 Erm, I think we've all forgotten to say something... Congratulations on completing your apprenticeship and being offered a job!
Oaktech Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 Erm, I think we've all forgotten to say something... Congratulations on completing your apprenticeship and being offered a job! Oh, yeah, ^^ this!
twin--turbo Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 45ppm for the first 10K 25ppm after that. However take off 30% roughly to cover Income tax/insurance. 31.5p and 17.5p. 48 weeks , 5 days a week = 240 days 83 days will be paid at 31.5p after tax. £3137 157 days at 17.5p after tax. = £3297 £6434 Deisle will be about 14ppm @ = £4032 Tax £160 Servicing 4 * £150 = £600 Insurance ~ £2k if you are young. AA £100 CAR....... £.... £6892 So you stand to break evenish.. Rob
laserblazer Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 2.2 mile round trip to work and I have to pay my own travel costs.
Fazza Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 2.2 mile round trip to work and I have to pay my own travel costs. You drive 1.1 miles to work and then 1.1 miles back again?! Walk or cycle instead!!
sidewinder Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 I drove 30 miles each way for almost a year (this was crawling along the M25 and M4 each morning so took 90 minutes) and it really took it out of me. It was worth it for the job but I wouldn't rush to do it again Now got a half hour commute on the train which suits me a lot better
twin--turbo Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 INTERESTING FACT.... If your self employed, you can claim travel expenses against you self assessment. Most of us know this... And for a Motor car it's 45P per mile. But for a pedal cycle it's 25P per mile!!! I walk when I can, it's 1.6 Miles and clears my head.. Rob
SpuffMonkey Posted July 16, 2012 Posted July 16, 2012 I used to do commutes roughly of that length - its a pain in the winter and also a pain if your workplace is sociable and likes to go for a drink - as you have to stay on the soft drinks or crash at somebodys house - neither much fun in the long run. If you do go for it - I'd strongly suggest you investigate going LPG - it'll save you a fortune and make your trip even more lucrative - Prins Autogas UK or similar
oggster Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 My current commute is just under a mile and in summer I always use the car... I do have a good excuse though. Yesterday at 6:45am when I left home it was 35C, by the time I came home at 3pm it was 49C. Not pleasant or sensible to be walking around in those temps! Way back I used to have a 3 bus commute that took between 1:45 and 2 hours each way. Eventually started biking it which was quicker! Just not pleasant in bad weather.
laserblazer Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 You drive 1.1 miles to work and then 1.1 miles back again?! Walk or cycle instead!! What? With my feet!
AMLinington Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 2.2 mile round trip to work and I have to pay my own travel costs. See even I would walk that and I take any opportunity to be lazy. I probably wouldn't even bother with the hassle of riding a bike over that tiny a distance. I used to walk a mile home from the bus stop on my evening commute (the bus used to go a different route in the evening) and it's barely worth the risk of having the bike nicked.
BenABF Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 My commute is a 20 mile round trip and when my car was broken I decided to try and bike it, did this for most of last year and never felt better, fixed my car and haven't cycled since lol. In my defence the weather has been rubbish this summer. I really need to get back on my bike though as felt alot more alert and awake by the time I got to work. Was saving £20+ a week in fuel too. I'd love to find a job within walking distance though just not at a school.
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