MkII Posted July 3, 2005 Posted July 3, 2005 That is similar to what happened with me Rob. The SENCO was told they weren't replacing her admin. assistant cos the money had gone to fund my raise! The SENCO has since left so i'm no longer constantly faced with that guilt trip!
Ric_ Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 That is similar to what happened with me Rob. The SENCO was told they weren't replacing her admin. assistant cos the money had gone to fund my raise! The SENCO has since left so i'm no longer constantly faced with that guilt trip! When you bear in mind that most of the SENCO and TAs at my last school used to be dinner ladies, I can't see how you can justify paying them more than a skilled IT tech.
kingswood Posted July 17, 2005 Posted July 17, 2005 Wow! This forum is great. I think (though I'd have to ask my accountant--the wife--) I get in the region of £15,500 pro rata from September. We have over 400 desktop systems, over 100 admin systems running Lesson Monitor and SIMS; and approaching 150 laptops. All this is powered by nine servers fulfilling various roles. I have over me a Systems' Manager who will be part time in September and we have just taken on an ICT Technician. I have an HNC in Computer and Network Support and various certs. and a dimploma in PC Repair, but the school have just paid out £3700 so that I can complete my HND in Systems Administration. I felt choked to be honest when they offered to do it. So that kind of bumps my pay up very nicely I think. I can't say it enough, but Kingswood School have been a perfect employer. The head (David Tristram) is superb, and the Systems Manager (Allan Greig) has been a very good co-worker and friend through my first year there. So- I'm happy. Sounds to me though like many of you deserve a lot more recognition for the hard work you are putting in- and some of this should come through in benefits, training and pay (of course). I hope you get it! Paul
russdev Posted July 17, 2005 Posted July 17, 2005 yes but here found out the budget for training for whole school is 2k... so not going to spend 500 quid on me... Russ
Alex Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 @ a large school in North London (2000 pupils, 800wkstns) I was making 37k + bonus + benefits. Though I was employed by the PFI company not the school. I know of an 'IT Technical Manager' role going (not yet advertised) in Dewsbury, Yorkshire - paying around the 25k mark. If you want me to get a CV in front of the right ppl, need to do it quick - I'm leaving the education sector at the end of the month \o/.
Dos_Box Posted July 18, 2005 Author Posted July 18, 2005 yes but here found out the budget for training for whole school is 2k... so not going to spend 500 quid on me... Russ In my first school I remember being told that my annual training budget was £200 per annum and I was not allowed to 'roll over' the amount to accumulate enough to do any affordable ICT courses. As you can imagine, I didn't do any courses in the 3 years I was there.
Dos_Box Posted July 18, 2005 Author Posted July 18, 2005 @ a large school in North London (2000 pupils, 800wkstns) I was making 37k + bonus + benefits. Though I was employed by the PFI company not the school. I know of an 'IT Technical Manager' role going (not yet advertised) in Dewsbury, Yorkshire - paying around the 25k mark. If you want me to get a CV in front of the right ppl, need to do it quick - I'm leaving the education sector at the end of the month \o/. Looking at it in context though. 37K is not alot for a London wage. Many of us here who live in northern counties earn far less, but have a far higher standard of living, without all of the hassles that living in London entails. It's not a post to knock London, but just one to make people realise that figures can be deceptive. Heh!, I remeber paying a visit to an old army friend of mine who had brough a flat in Twickenham. It was the upstairs of a terraced house and had one bedroom, a living room and a kitchen. He had to convert the attic into a second bedroom. He sold it for £250,000. If you were to suggest to anyone iving in the North (where we have the monopoly on terraced houses) that their entire house could be worth £500,000 they would laugh at you.
StewartKnight Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 you must be kidding! Here in Cumbria / Lake District, the house prices are so high, and wages so low, none of the locals can afford to buy, and are forced to rent. The only people who can afford to live in Cumbria are rich Londoners. :x
tarquel Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 yes but here found out the budget for training for whole school is 2k... so not going to spend 500 quid on me... Same here - I think it's 2k as well. This means I wont be doing any "good" courses anytime soon you must be kidding! Here in Cumbria / Lake District, the house prices are so high, and wages so low, none of the locals can afford to buy, and are forced to rent. The only people who can afford to live in Cumbria are rich Londoners. lol agreed. Not that I'm big into buying a house or anything but when I've looked at the estate agents around here, then cheapest going is about 110k! Might not be much to other places, but its still alot to someone who doesn't get the pay to get one lol Nath
Alex Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 @ a large school in North London (2000 pupils, 800wkstns) I was making 37k + bonus + benefits. Though I was employed by the PFI company not the school. I know of an 'IT Technical Manager' role going (not yet advertised) in Dewsbury, Yorkshire - paying around the 25k mark. If you want me to get a CV in front of the right ppl, need to do it quick - I'm leaving the education sector at the end of the month \o/. Looking at it in context though. 37K is not alot for a London wage. Many of us here who live in northern counties earn far less, but have a far higher standard of living, without all of the hassles that living in London entails. It's not a post to knock London, but just one to make people realise that figures can be deceptive. Heh!, I remeber paying a visit to an old army friend of mine who had brough a flat in Twickenham. It was the upstairs of a terraced house and had one bedroom, a living room and a kitchen. He had to convert the attic into a second bedroom. He sold it for £250,000. If you were to suggest to anyone iving in the North (where we have the monopoly on terraced houses) that their entire house could be worth £500,000 they would laugh at you. Property is indeed a nightmare in London, part of the reason we moved away to be honest- though I miss the social side now. I used to pat ~200 quid/week on a good 1 bed flat in West Hampstead (a nice spot - took me ages to find a flat at a sensible price too) I now pay 550 per month on a 3 bed terrace. Although I'm not making much more than I used to down in London I *really* notice the difference in dispoable income living up here. Not keen on yorkshire tho - think I'm going to move to the lancs side of the pennines asap!
StewartKnight Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 It's alright the Government saying it want to provide low cost housing for "key workers" such as teachers, but they get paid a fortune, especially compared to tecchies and teaching assistants. I genuinely believe that a lot of the teachers I've met, are teachers because they couldn't get a job in "the real world". I've yet to meet an ICT teacher who could do ICT!
tarquel Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 It's alright the Government saying it want to provide low cost housing for "key workers" such as teachers, but they get paid a fortune, especially compared to tecchies and teaching assistants. I genuinely believe that a lot of the teachers I've met, are teachers because they couldn't get a job in "the real world". I've yet to meet an ICT teacher who could do ICT! How true lol (following edited: ) Some teachers (to clarify to any teachers reading, I dont mean "all teachers" so dont instantly take offense) these days seem to be here for the ££, not because they particularly want to educate the kids or anything. I think this is part 'n' parcel of the lack of discipline I see with the younger/newer teachers these days. I'm not ranting for the sake of it, its just what I've observed from some newer teachers thats all No bashing intended here - just the facts the way i see them Nath
Alex Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 It's alright the Government saying it want to provide low cost housing for "key workers" such as teachers, but they get paid a fortune, especially compared to tecchies and teaching assistants. I genuinely believe that a lot of the teachers I've met, are teachers because they couldn't get a job in "the real world". I've yet to meet an ICT teacher who could do ICT! You're not wrong. Work 1hr 30 min break Work 1hr 1hr Break Work 1hr 15 min break Work 1hr Go home factor in free periods, then add summer holidays, other random holidays and skives and I think you'll find they get paid well for doing not much. And then they have the audacity to whine about it all day long. omg boohoo. Can you imagine any of them doing anything other than being a teacher? I came back to working in education, because I thought it would be nice and relaxing after returning from working in a warzone, I was even considering training as a teacher. Turns out dealing with these idle retards is far more stressful, and I could never work alongside them. (not having the protection of 'not working for the LEA' is a nightmare)
Mango_RW Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 My brother in law who works in a school down the road who is a senior technician (second in command) is on 26,000 his boss is on around £29,000. Not a bad wage! we are based in the south west - ooh arr! Some schools are prepared to pay! You just have to find them.
tarquel Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 None around here are prepared to pay I dont think mate lol well, none this side of powys - right mark? lol Nath
Dos_Box Posted July 18, 2005 Author Posted July 18, 2005 No teacher bashing please. We need them to stay employed, no matter how troublesome they sometimes are!
StewartKnight Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 Shame! I thought this was a hot topic that deserved a thread all of its own!
ChrisH Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 My g/f is a teacher and she doesnt have the easy life.....
Ric_ Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 My g/f is a teacher and she doesnt have the easy life..... Don't you mean that you don't have the easy life?
russdev Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 yes as much as there are some teachers who are known not to work hard i am sure there are some it techies who are the same.. I do know lot of teachers who work till come 10 at night on work... remeber a lot of teachers days do not stop at 3:30... I think point of thread is that we techies do just as much work as teachers and so should be paid on simlair scale... russ
ssimstar Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 A shade under £20K. Network Manager. School recently got Specialist Status for Maths & Computing. I'm sole ICT support for a school with a largish site. Around 250 workstations, three servers, 5 ICT suites. Several workgroups. 3 wireless mobile classrooms. Cover around 20KM per day. My line manager seems to think I'm idle and is on my back constantly, despite all evidence to the contrary. Because he has set up his little workgroup at home, he thinks he is now an expert on networking systems, although he doesn't understand why file servers are more expensive than desktops. He doesn't understand why a good hardware support contract on your servers is valuable. He doesn't understand why wireless systems do not have the bandwidth or throughput of hard wired systems, but he is SLT and can shaft me at his leisure. Ideas anyone?
GrumbleDook Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 oooh ... where to start .... Do you want the nice helpful stuff or the downright nasty stuff?
ssimstar Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 oooh ... where to start .... Do you want the nice helpful stuff or the downright nasty s tuff? Oh go on, tell me your woes.
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