mrbios Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Managers just got on to grey matter about the £4128 price, apparently it's the correct price and confirmed that it's the desktop enterprise package the same as the other 2 quotes, this is what we're paying and what for: £26.96 per FTE x 118 £21.04 per Windows Server std x 23 £303 for SQL Server license £175 for exchange server enterprise Last year: £16,150 This year: £4,128 Absolutely incredible change, and for more like it should be!!!
SteveJ Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Looking at that, £26.96 is way below the cost price and more like what the price was per unit under the old schools agreement... I'd be a little wary. Would be worth checking what the MS part number is for the quoted items (for Desktop it should be 2UJ-00011).
mcnallyfc Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Managers just got on to grey matter about the £4128 price, apparently it's the correct price and confirmed that it's the desktop enterprise package the same as the other 2 quotes, this is what we're paying and what for: £26.96 per FTE x 118 £21.04 per Windows Server std x 23 £303 for SQL Server license £175 for exchange server enterprise Last year: £16,150 This year: £4,128 Absolutely incredible change, and for more like it should be!!! Thanks for info - who was quote from? Edit - just re-read and saw grey matter.... We are after 151 FTE licenses - if in this agreement is it like select with regards to cheaper other licenses like you have put for server 2008? if so this has only just dawned on me as a bonus... Edited February 10, 2011 by mcnallyfc edit
localzuk Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 That price looks amazingly similar to the Schools Agreement price, rather than the EES price.
jcollings Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 That price looks amazingly similar to the Schools Agreement price, rather than the EES price. I've just spoken to Grey Matter to get a quote as those prices would be awesome. They are adamant that pricing for the new scheme is NOT available to schools until March. The prices that are one here ARE schools agreements NOT EES according to their man (John Lockwood?) Please don't shoot the messengar!
mrbios Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 I've just spoken to Grey Matter to get a quote as those prices would be awesome. They are adamant that pricing for the new scheme is NOT available to schools until March. The prices that are one here ARE schools agreements NOT EES according to their man (John Lockwood?) Please don't shoot the messengar! I wonder if they are obliged to stick to their quote confirmation price even if they are quoting the wrong prices? My manager spoke to both john and lisa there and he made it sound as if they confirmed those prices o_O
localzuk Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 I've just spoken to Grey Matter to get a quote as those prices would be awesome. They are adamant that pricing for the new scheme is NOT available to schools until March. The prices that are one here ARE schools agreements NOT EES according to their man (John Lockwood?) Please don't shoot the messengar! They've obviously been given some duff info then, as the pricing is definitely out now.
SteveJ Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 I've just spoken to Grey Matter to get a quote as those prices would be awesome. They are adamant that pricing for the new scheme is NOT available to schools until March. The prices that are one here ARE schools agreements NOT EES according to their man (John Lockwood?) Please don't shoot the messengar! Sorry, but that's not true. EES agreements cannot be set up until March, but pricing has definitely been released.
Cache Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Couple of companies I've spoken to still haven't had pricing through yet, although I have had quotes of £32/£33 for a standard desktop pack from several.
jcollings Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Sorry, but that's not true. EES agreements cannot be set up until March, but pricing has definitely been released. Well of the 3 companiess that I have spoken to they are all saying the same. They reckon they have had internal price indications but can't release them for schools. One did say that there is new pricing for FE colleges and that is available but not the schools pricing. If you have access to official pricing I would suggest posting it may be useful!
SteveJ Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) We get pricing from Distribution a month in advance, I can't comment on other companies but that's the case with us (otherwise we couldn't quote on renewals until they'd expired). The pricing will depend on the quantity you'd be purchasing but as a general rule the cost price of EES is 30% higher per unit than Schools agreement. As an example, if you had an FTE of 100 I'd suggest a price of around £36-£37 per FTE for Desktop. Different companies will differ of course EES pricing for FE/HE has been around since December. If you post you FTE & Product(s) I can give you a rough guide to pricing. Edited February 10, 2011 by SteveJ
adamjjh Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 We have just been quoted at £32.87 per FTE (based on 68 FTE's) for the desktop pack under the new EES agreements and that is from Phoenix. Our account manager said this is the new pricing but the EES agreement does not commence until March 1st.
dgsmith Posted February 15, 2011 Posted February 15, 2011 Starting to get our quotes through now. For us just having the standard desktop pack (OS, Office, CALs), it seems a price range of £32-£35 is realistic and that is based on our FTE count of ~75. I'm guessing where the FTE count is bigger then the lower end of that scale is achieveable. We're looking to slice £6k off our agreement which equates to a 70% reduction - incredible! Our agreement is due for renewal in April which seems like the perfect time really.
irsprint84 Posted February 17, 2011 Posted February 17, 2011 I m getting £41 for 55 ENTERPRISE CAL licences, anyone getting cheaper?
Ex-MGSTech Posted February 17, 2011 Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) I'd be looking for the desktop pack also, based on 132 FTE... Edited February 17, 2011 by Ex-MGSTech
john Posted February 18, 2011 Posted February 18, 2011 To all those looking at the Desktop Enterprise Pack, remember the Enterprise CAL pack includes a lot of SCCM bits and includes Forefront Anti-Virus as part of it so you can start to consider ditching Sophos without spending any more money !
teejay Posted February 18, 2011 Posted February 18, 2011 To all those looking at the Desktop Enterprise Pack, remember the Enterprise CAL pack includes a lot of SCCM bits and includes Forefront Anti-Virus as part of it so you can start to consider ditching Sophos without spending any more money ! The standard desktop cal includes the SCCM stuff, doesn't include the Forefront stuff though: the enterprise Desktop includes: win 7ent, Office pro plus, Exchange standard and ent cals, window server standard cals, sharepoint standard and enterprise Cals, all of the current components of the Forefront Protection Suite,Lync Server 2010 Standard CAL, Lync Server 2010 Enterprise CAL,Windows Server 2008 Rights Management Services CAL, Forefront Unified Access Gateway 2010 CAL and all of the current components of the System Center Client Management Suite. Forefront Protection Suite Forefront Protection Suite is versionless and product use rights are those in effect during the term of corresponding Enterprise CAL Suite Software Assurance coverage. A subscription to Forefront Protection Suite consists of the following online services: Forefront Client Security, Forefront for Office Communications Server (formerly Antigen for Instant Messaging), Forefront Online Protection for Exchange (formerly Exchange Hosted Filtering), Forefront Protection 2010 for Exchange Server, Forefront Threat Management Gateway Web Protection Service and Forefront Protection 2010 for SharePoint Server System Center Client Management Suite System Center Client Management Suite is versionless and product use rights are those in effect during the term of corresponding Enterprise CAL Suite Software Assurance coverage. System Center Client Management Suite provides rights equivalent to the following: System Center Operations Manager Client Management License, System Center Data Protection Manager Client Management License, and System Center Service Manager Client Management License Standard Desktop includes: Windows 7 ent, Office pro plus, Exchange standard cals, window server standard cals, sharepoint Cals and SCCM,. Another bargain is the System Centre Suite, £18 for std, £50 for ent: Comprehensive solution for end-to-end management of physical and low-density virtual server environments that includes the Enterprise Server management licenses for Operations Manager 2007 R2, Configuration Manager 2007 R2, Data Protection Manager 2010, Virtual Machine Manager 2008 R2; Service Manager 2010; the Management Server license for Virtual Machine Manager 2008 R2; the Management Server License for Data Protection Manager 2010; and, rights to manage up to four (4) Virtual Operating System Environments (VOSEs) plus the Physical Operating System Environment (POSE) provided the POSE is limited to supporting the virtualization capability.
mrbios Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 So am i right in thinking so long as you'r getting the enterprise desktop solution you don't have to pay extra for server licenses? I'm pretty sure (though not certain) we've always been paying for server licenses seperately every year! In which case we may be able to save ourself a few bob by cutting that off!
teejay Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 You still need to purchase the server licenses either on the same agreement or you could buy them as a one off purchase through a select agreement. The ent desktop covers the connection cals, not the actual server purchase.
Soulfish Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 Another bargain is the System Centre Suite, £18 for std, £50 for ent: Comprehensive solution for end-to-end management of physical and low-density virtual server environments that includes the Enterprise Server management licenses for Operations Manager 2007 R2, Configuration Manager 2007 R2, Data Protection Manager 2010, Virtual Machine Manager 2008 R2; Service Manager 2010; the Management Server license for Virtual Machine Manager 2008 R2; the Management Server License for Data Protection Manager 2010; and, rights to manage up to four (4) Virtual Operating System Environments (VOSEs) plus the Physical Operating System Environment (POSE) provided the POSE is limited to supporting the virtualization capability. If you're virtualising and using Windows Datacenter licenses its cheaper to purchase System Center Management Suite Datacenter (done per processor) and like Windows Server Datacenter its licensed you for unlimited VMs. With the enterprise CAL pack it also means that your licensed for all client/server management licenses (MLs - like CALs!) for all of the system center products We've just had a like-for-like quote on our Schools agreement from Insight. Now we license everything from MS (servers, TMG, SCCM, desktop enterprise pack, UAG, Exchange, SQL, VDI stuff) through our schools agreement. We're currently in year 2 of a 3 year schools agreement deal, so pricing is more or less what it was for us when we signed up in 2009. We've had it confirmed that we can move out of our schools agreement without penalty to EES at our renewal, and our previous 19.5k spend is currently coming in at just over 8k
ful56_uk Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 How does the SQL cals work, is that part of enterprise or do you have to buy a cal for each device/ user who access the SQL server?
Soulfish Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 How does the SQL cals work, is that part of enterprise or do you have to buy a cal for each device/ user who access the SQL server? From the quote I've got it appears that you can license SQL CALs per FTE to cover all of your devices.
CyberNerd Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 From the quote I've got it appears that you can license SQL CALs per FTE to cover all of your devices. do you know how it works with Terminal Server licenses?
Soulfish Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 do you know how it works with Terminal Server licenses? Well our schools agreement also include the VDI Premium Suite w/MDOP which is licensed per device per month, and its now dropped to FTE*12 number of licenses. The VDI Prem Suite includes the RDS CAL (What) which replaced the TS CAL so I imagine this covers all of our devices, like the Desktop Suite (especially since this is a per device license and we're buying it per FTE!). For us it's coming in at about £7.30/yr/FTE. 1
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