laserblazer Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I don't remember the Sophos incident you refer to but I do recall a guy from Sophos replying to a Sophos is cr@p post giving us his email address and offering personal assistance. He did provide me with a load of pointers to try and get the management console working. 1
plexer Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Would not matter. They would get it removed anyway. Yeah the mods are such a bunch of self obessed people that if someone gave one of them neg rep then we would go to the admins to have it removed so that we all look like perfect people. Get real. We have asked if there is a way to automate the functionality of producing a pm that is sent to a member to explain when an edit has been made, at the moment these are 2 seperate procedures. After an edit has been made we then have to manually initiate the PM process. Ben
mattx Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I don't remember the Sophos incident you refer to but I do recall a guy from Sophos replying to a Sophos is cr@p post giving us his email address and offering personal assistance. He did provide me with a load of pointers to try and get the management console working. Well that was me, and I got a phone call from Sophos [ after my ban was lifted ] and had a VERY long conflap in regards to the problems etc and I was then promised feedback, a thread was created on the forum asking for feedback which loads of members added to - I then sent that info to Sophos and HEARD NOTHING EVER AGAIN. Oh well. I / and Edugeek members did try.
garethEds Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I don't remember the Sophos incident you refer to but I do recall a guy from Sophos replying to a Sophos is cr@p post giving us his email address and offering personal assistance. He did provide me with a load of pointers to try and get the management console working. That sort of service is where Edugeek can benefit. More companies like Promethean are needed in the direct support section of this community. GJE 1
Popular Post bloxy Posted January 27, 2010 Popular Post Posted January 27, 2010 'First and foremost, EduGeek.net is a technical community, created as a place for those lonely people in schools that often struggle to find solutions to problems that are only found in schools.' That's me.On my own a lot of the time grateful that there is somewhere I can go to for likeminded people to listen to and occassionaly ask for help. I don't post very much as there are some people out there with far superior technical knowledge to me but have added to some posts when I thought I might be of some help. I like edugeek because I feel a part of it and when you are sitting surrounded by people who glaze over when you explain what you are doing it's nice to know that someone somewhere will listen. hope that made some sort of sense cheers Adrian 8
laserblazer Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I agree, I'm a member of a US based video forum and it's amazing the number of suppliers/manufacturers that get personally involved. It gives you a warm feeling.
Popular Post ZeroHour Posted January 27, 2010 Popular Post Posted January 27, 2010 I have noticed a change in this forum, and its not as good as it used to be.... Its no longer a community site, all they seem to care about now is making money and making the site members grow and grow. The members don't seem to count as much anymore, they are only a number. I liked when the site was a community, i don't see it as that anymore. The members opinions used to count, they don't seem to anymore, its disappointing. Its also annoying when threads are locked or removed when someone is complaining or telling us bout a bad experience. Just because the company concerned has moaned about it. But i agree very pointless threads need to go. But i think fun should be allowed as well. The site needs some consistency in the way admins and mods do things. For example it would be nice when someone locks a thread or deletes posts to e-mail or PM the people concerned with an explanation. Also it would be nice to be able to give negative rep without the come backs. Hmm tbh thats a rather out of order comment as you know fine well we try to meet the requirements of our members, maybe if we are going for the cash we should stop spending thousands and thousands on BETT and conferences?! that would save a hell of a lot of cash as we are seen as money grabbing now anyway. I get pretty annoyed when I see people getting aggrivated at EduGeek and funding, you have been to events in the past as well! Maybe we should just shut up shop and call it a day as actually making money for the time spent is a crime now adays.... Yes there are problems with posts/threads/mods/actions etc LIKE any organisation but on the whole we try help as much as we can and we are trying to improve, remember edugeek is growing very fast and like anything we have growing pains. Also to assume each time a thread is removed/edited and you personally/publically told why is because a company told us to is silly to say the least. You do NOT know all the facts that go on behind the scenes and generally when your not told there is a GOOD reason. I am not repeating myself again from when you last made similar posts but should we get members sacked by not removing the threads etc?!?! and we do stand up to companies btw, you would know this if you were a mod but we cant easily publically state all the reasons why things are done. But yeh in some areas yes more information should be given but to take a slant against us being all about the money is harsh to say the least and uncalled for. Yes we make money now, accept that. Please PM me examples of how we are only about the money and how we dont invest huge amounts of personal time into the site... Everyone wants a free ride it appears, you ironically boasted to me about how you were going to block all edugeek ad's as you felt you didnt want to support us, we could have banned you then as you technically have no direct $ value. I could write some scripts to detect attempts to block ad's and lock you out of the site but we dont... I have seen a few of these threads come up as time went on and as we got bigger and bigger and all I see is needless jelousy and its usually unsubstatiated *feelings* about how we only grab the money so I am calling those who say we are money grabbers to please pm me examples how when we spend large amounts of cash to offer things for free (unlike all our competitors) we are just in it for the money. Hell this year we are trying to have more conferences and events then ever before but I dont think we should bother now. Ohh how I feel valued now as a money grabber.... /Rant over... Please dont feel I *just* targeted you FN as this more for all users that see us in this light as well and rather then repeating myself with many quotes etc I thought I would try to answer the points there. 13
sparkeh Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Without wishing to comment on individual post, I must admit I am surprised whenever the money topic surfaces. EG could have sold out a while ago and as far as I can see a lot of money is directed back to the good of the membership. I have no idea how expensive BETT and conferences are but I bet the are bloody expensive to run. Money that the owners of lesser sites would stick in their pocket
Domino Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Also, notice how you don't get any spam from an edugeek sign up? imagine what companies would pay for a database of purely technical decision makers' email adresses
Popular Post Little-Miss Posted January 27, 2010 Popular Post Posted January 27, 2010 I never understand why money is bought up in these things. It's non of our business really as we dont have to pay to use this brilliant community! 5
mb2k01 Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 @ZeroHour and FN-GM: I don't agree with the comment regarding finances. I'm happy and somewhat proud that this site makes money while providing a valuable resource for me and many others. Hell, I'd even pay a subscription (see the supporter tag under my member name!) What I do agree with is the devalued status of members. I've only been here a relatively short amount of time compared to some of you (registered in 2005), but I've noticed a huge sway in how members are treated - both by other members and to a certain extent Mods and Admins. As I commented on Page 1, it's now apparent that this site is "yours" rather than "ours"..... There shouldn't be such clear divisions between God/Admin/Mod and Supporter/Member - we should work for eachother.
copson90 Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 As quite a new member i obviously cant comment on time before i joined, but i havent felt this site is about money making at all. Ive generally felt very welcome and even knowing not as knowledgeable as most members i still feel comfortable adding to a post. My point is it does very much feel like a great community to be a part of. Just my view anyway.
russdev Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 To clarify what sophos incident was. Many moons ago a young member of staff managed to convince a young lawyer that they should send some stop notices to the 'geek' over some threads. Anyway once the bosses found out they played hell with said staff and withdrew the action. Maybe something to do with a Reg story. I still remember phone call from Graham at Sophos i was replying to an email over matter to rest of admins when call came through.
TechSupp Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Now I don't usually enter in to these threads as I usually have better things to do but I for one must say that I am quite happy with EduGeek and if they do some money making initiatives to keep it going and thrive..Great, could not think of how I would survive in this job without you guys. Mods are necessary in forums to keep things sane as some people just don't know the line not to cross these days (I know as being a mod on another forum), if people are sensible we should not know they are there and this very thread would not have been necessary in the first place! If any of this post is just a replication of other views in this thread...sorry, but I just don't have the time to read them all. Thats my two peneth anyway (two pennies..suppose that dates me a bit!)
Dos_Box Posted January 27, 2010 Author Posted January 27, 2010 More here: Sophos apologises for going legal on school techies ? The Register A mere 2000 members eh! 2
ZeroHour Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 What I do agree with is the devalued status of members. I've only been here a relatively short amount of time compared to some of you (registered in 2005), but I've noticed a huge sway in how members are treated - both by other members and to a certain extent Mods and Admins. As I commented on Page 1, it's now apparent that this site is "yours" rather than "ours"..... There shouldn't be such clear divisions between God/Admin/Mod and Supporter/Member - we should work for eachother. I am hoping that when we have updated rules/guidlines we will answer some of these issues for you. We dont ever want that impression and I am trying to think of several ways to differentiate from a *official'sih* post from mods/admins over personal opinion which I think may help clarify where people are coming from. The issue has been that with so many members everyone has an idea how things should be done and handled, we do try to take on as many points as we can but eventually a stance has to come where you say enough is enough, please tow the line with x point and thats the end of it. We have many question current swearing policy and it went back and forth until we had to say "no swearing, fact!" to end the debate. Its a hard tight rope to walk but just know we are here for the members but just dont expect it all everyones way as everyone has different ideas how edugeek should be modded and ran. Please dont take this as a pop, just try to see it from our perspective a little and that keeping all happy is damn hard, after a certain point you have to say enough is enough, play ball. 1
mb2k01 Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Not taken as a pop - taken as a very well thought through, honest, answer. Thank you.
markwatkins Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I totally agree with these sentiments, "Now I don't usually enter in to these threads as I usually have better things to do but I for one must say that I am quite happy with EduGeek and if they do some money making initiatives to keep it going and thrive" I am slighlty surprised that there are a few people who are getting so upset over the point of this thread. I suppose if you don't like it don't join is the answer. To Dos et al thank you making this resource available.
Guest richard_s Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 No one said you had to moderate your views - where is that coming from? The point is that we want to be seen as a professional resource, a place where RM can come and get REAL opinions from people in the front line - they might even change things as a result, you never know! However, we do ask that if you have something to say, then back it up with examples, for instances and facts. General abuse is not the way to go. Actually you have asked me to moderate my views in the past as you have not liked my political views.
FN-GM Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) ironically boasted to me about how you were going to block all edugeek ad's as you felt you didnt want to support us, we could have banned you then as you technically have no direct $ value. I could write some scripts to detect attempts to block ad's and lock you out of the site but we dont... You failed to mention why i blocked the adds. Its because they are inappropiate. You also failed to mention i made a donation out of my own cash to the site instead @ZeroHour and FN-GM: What I do agree with is the devalued status of members. I've only been here a relatively short amount of time compared to some of you (registered in 2005), but I've noticed a huge sway in how members are treated - both by other members and to a certain extent Mods and Admins. As I commented on Page 1, it's now apparent that this site is "yours" rather than "ours"..... Thats what i am trying to get accross about it not being a community anymore Hmm tbh thats a rather out of order comment as you know fine well we try to meet the requirements of our members, maybe if we are going for the cash we should stop spending thousands and thousands on BETT and conferences?! that would save a hell of a lot of cash as we are seen as money grabbing now anyway. I get pretty annoyed when I see people getting aggrivated at EduGeek and funding, you have been to events in the past as well! Maybe we should just shut up shop and call it a day as actually making money for the time spent is a crime now adays.... Yes there are problems with posts/threads/mods/actions etc LIKE any organisation but on the whole we try help as much as we can and we are trying to improve, remember edugeek is growing very fast and like anything we have growing pains. Also to assume each time a thread is removed/edited and you personally/publically told why is because a company told us to is silly to say the least. You do NOT know all the facts that go on behind the scenes and generally when your not told there is a GOOD reason. I am not repeating myself again from when you last made similar posts but should we get members sacked by not removing the threads etc?!?! and we do stand up to companies btw, you would know this if you were a mod but we cant easily publically state all the reasons why things are done. But yeh in some areas yes more information should be given but to take a slant against us being all about the money is harsh to say the least and uncalled for. Yes we make money now, accept that. Please PM me examples of how we are only about the money and how we dont invest huge amounts of personal time into the site... Everyone wants a free ride it appears, you ironically boasted to me about how you were going to block all edugeek ad's as you felt you didnt want to support us, we could have banned you then as you technically have no direct $ value. I could write some scripts to detect attempts to block ad's and lock you out of the site but we dont... I have seen a few of these threads come up as time went on and as we got bigger and bigger and all I see is needless jelousy and its usually unsubstatiated *feelings* about how we only grab the money so I am calling those who say we are money grabbers to please pm me examples how when we spend large amounts of cash to offer things for free (unlike all our competitors) we are just in it for the money. Hell this year we are trying to have more conferences and events then ever before but I dont think we should bother now. Ohh how I feel valued now as a money grabber.... /Rant over... Please dont feel I *just* targeted you FN as this more for all users that see us in this light as well and rather then repeating myself with many quotes etc I thought I would try to answer the points there. I am not saying what you do with the money is bad but as more and more is being made the members are not being treated like they did. The site seems to look after sponsors more. Edited January 27, 2010 by FN-GM
EduTech Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 So what if the people who run this site get paid for their time and their skills. How many of you here would go round to someone’s home, stay up until 2:00am fixing someone’s computer for nothing? Take into account that you do get paid. How many of you would still want to do that day after day? How many of you would continue when the people you help continue to berate the work you do? It has been later on some occassions!! hehe 3/4am lol
ZeroHour Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) You failed to mention why i blocked the adds. Its because they are inappropiate. You also failed to mention i made a donation out of my own cash to the site instead Bad adverts occur very very occasionally so permanintly banning adverts on the odd exception is harsh and we have long said that donations would and could never make up for advert revenue although its nice of you to do so. Also you donated back in a time when you were more happy with the site and said you would not do it again unless we changed. And I wouldnt need to say you donated if you had actually left the status on but you said you did not want to be associated as a *supporter* of edugeek. I am not saying what you do with the money is bad but as more and more is being made the members are not being treated like they did. The site seems to look after sponsors more. Please back that up with PM's to me with details and if founded we can discuss publically. We have had sponsors versus sponsors but no we have not been bending to the will of sponsors imo. Edited January 27, 2010 by ZeroHour
FN-GM Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 (edited) Bad adverts occur very very occasionally so permanintly banning adverts on the odd exception is harsh and we have long said that donations would and could never make up for advert revenue although its nice of you to do so. Also you donated back in a time when you were more happy with the site and said you would not do it again unless we changed. And I wouldnt need to say you donated if you had actually left the status on but you said you did not want to be associated as a *supporter* of edugeek. i would rather not take the risk at work to be honest. It wont make up but it help. At the time i didnt support what you where doing so it would make me a hypocrite if i had it displaying. I also stopped doing the wiki and asked for my rights to be removed because i just don’t agree. I am not saying what you do with the money is bad but as more and more is being made the members are not being treated like they did. The site seems to look after sponsors more. Im not sure if i have the orignal stuff, i had to delete them as my inbox was full but its happened. At the time it was denied so the tune will hardly change now. And when i say all this i dont want to be falling out with anyone. Edited January 27, 2010 by FN-GM
localzuk Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Oh come on people! Do you really think this site can and always will remain the same small community is used to be? As things get bigger, they change - they have to, as it is not logistically possible to stay the same. Bigger = more expensive. More expensive = more income needed. So, yes sponsors may get some special treatment in some areas, but without them, this site couldn't possibly support the number of members it has, or the events it runs. Stop talking about the money I say. 2
ZeroHour Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 i would rather not take the risk at work to be honest. It wont make up but it help. So assume you dont at home? I still think its a bit silly assuming that the once in a blue moon advert would mean you would get trouble from work?!?! no work would really do that as its out of your control. I have seen similar arguments come on other sites stating spyware etc but it really never washes with me as its so little of an issue no one can reasonably say that blocking adverts for all their work day on the off chance that an advert with a dating site happens to occur (for example) and you get insta-sacked for it. If thats the case you must have one hell of an RUA and face unfair dismissal all the time as the rest of your staff wont probably care nor even have the ability nessarily to stop these sackable adverts... Also let me add *at that time* you also yourself said you had gone off on one a bit and was it not all resolved?
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