YouTube Coming To Your School Soon

[AngryITGuy]

An interesting article here regarding the use of YouTube in schools Schools to spend thousands to access YouTube

 

Yes YouTube has its academic merits but surely there has to be a cheaper alternative, considering this proposed solution is going to costing between £2,500 and £10,000 a year per school

 

Details of the BLOXX solution can be found more.

 

Have had a quick read through the brochure and unless I have missed something it does seem to do much automated content filtering, looks like it relies on content being submitted by teachers for approval before it can be viewed.

 

Interesting to hear what others here think and to see how many schools and authorities are looking at this solution.

 

We use BLOXX as our web filter have just emailed them to see if our LEA has approached them regarding the unit and to see if I can have one to trial

[Pottsey]

Wont this just be the same as teachertube which is free. Why pay all that money.

[Cools]

why not host your own you-tube in house..

 

ClipShare : Video Script - Youtube Clone - Youtube Script (pay for) Easy and fast to set-up.. Don't cost much if you go for the basic package.

(Embed videos from other sites) link to youtube

 

PHPmotion :: Free Video Sharing Script - Free Youtube Clone - Free Youtube Script - free video sharing software - you tube clone - media sharing script - PHP Script - social networking scrript (free) takes a a bit to set up and tweaking needed.

[mjs_mjs]

We allow Teachers access to youtube but not students.

[bossman]

@mjs_mjs:

 

Well surely that's just the same as letting the students have access is it not? hehe!! :)

[TechMonkey]

Sounds a bit like a puff, semi advertising, piece.

 

One thing I was thinking, could CSS sheets be applied at proxy? If it was, surely a sheet could be styled that removed all the cruft & leave just the video. Admittedly the content would still be there in the source but generally the problem would be hidden.

[mjs_mjs]

@mjs_mjs:

 

Well surely that's just the same as letting the students have access is it not? hehe!! :)

 

Yes and no, yes they have access to it as a managed learning resource (managed by the teacher), but they don't have access to it from their own user accounts for them to abuse and waste learning time on.

 

Sounds a bit like a puff, semi advertising, piece.

 

One thing I was thinking, could CSS sheets be applied at proxy? If it was, surely a sheet could be styled that removed all the cruft & leave just the video. Admittedly the content would still be there in the source but generally the problem would be hidden.

 

Yes it is possible to do that. Using a mix of DNS and apache you could redirect all requestes to a site where the CSS is overlaid. One of the torrent sites i used to use did something simalar.

[MYK-IT]

As the article stated, it does seem a very expensive solution to provide 'safer' access to resources on just one website.

 

Why doesn't YouTube create an educated orientated sister website? If not free to schools, then for a small fee (has to be cheaper than £2000 to £10000 per annum as mentioned in article).

 

They could even call it EduTube, EduYouTube or even EducateYouTube

[LeMarchand]

Wont this just be the same as teachertube which is free. Why pay all that money.

 

Agreed.

 

I've told stafff about TT, but as it doesn't have loads of other content for them to play with they don't seem to be interested .

 

Instead of spending thousands on this sort of solution, why can't staff just set up the clip at full screen then display it on the board? Too much effort?

[AngryITGuy]

Wont this just be the same as teachertube which is free. Why pay all that money.

 

Problem with teachertube is that it's not YouTube, not my words just what I have been told by numerous members of staff here when I have suggested it as an alternative.

 

Have also tried to host our own YouTube in house but it never worked think it was too much to expect from the staff here to research and supply content for the in house version.

 

Think the most annoying thing for staff here is that there is a blanket ban on YouTube imposed by the LEA, but whenever the LEA provide subject specific training to school staff more often than not there is always references to YouTube resources within the training

[MYK-IT]

Wonder how this will impact KissYouTube

[rayfleming]

If it's just "YouTube without comments" that's needed, then there's:

 

YouTube XL

 

Apparently designed for people with media centre PCs, but an absolute gift for teachers wanting to use YouTube on an interactive whiteboard. No comments, no related videos etc

 

Not only free, but it's YouTube run, so no problems with some of the copyright problems created by downloads.

[MYK-IT]

Looking at this in a simplistic way, Educational related videos could be 'meta tagged' with a field like KS1, KS2, K3 or K12 (US)? And these could be accessed via a different URL / domain (YouTube - Bildung).

 

That was the easy part, of course the issue of staff / expense to 'tag' the videos appropriately after being uploaded prior to being available is another issue!

[AngryITGuy]

Looking at this in a simplistic way, Educational related videos could be 'meta tagged' with a field like KS1, KS2, K3 or K12 (US)? And these could be accessed via a different URL / domain (YouTube - Bildung).

 

That was the easy part, of course the issue of staff / expense to 'tag' the videos appropriately after being uploaded prior to being available is another issue!

 

Agreed would make things a lot easier if this was done.

 

Think the BLOXX solution is doing a similar thing but what they haven't accounted for is the amount of work required by users to tag and categorise each video.

 

Seems a cheek to charge so much for a solution that requires a vast amount of work to be put in by the end user to get it to work as it should!

[enjay]

The problem with TeacherTube is that it doesn't have anything like the same content as is on YouTube.

 

When we can implement per-user filtering for a handful of hundred pounds per year (and struggle to get SLT sign-off on even that!), I wonder where they got the figure of £10k from...

[SpuffMonkey]

We allow Teachers access to youtube but not students.

 

We found that this resulted in the students working hard to find out the teachers login & password - or even worse - the teacher letting students use their login because "little Johnny needed it and he's very trustworthy" - alas SLT are less use than a wet blanket - so actions like this go unremarked...

[jdoyle]

we protect our limited (and often maxed out) Internet bandwidth from the "leave it to the last minute" teachers and the students looking for inappropriate content by blocking YouTube (or rather leaving it blocked at the SWGfL).

 

Where video content is found on YouTube/TeacherTube/etc that may be of benefit to students, we contact the original producers of the material and request a copy (often free) and load this onto our internal video streaming system (eStream). Much better quality video/audio.

 

Has anyone got any statistics to show that students accessing YouTube obtained better results than students being taught by a teacher?

[enjay]

Has anyone got any statistics to show that students accessing YouTube obtained better results than students being taught by a teacher?

 

To fight the teachers' corner for a moment (risky on this site, I know!) let's consider for a moment the genuine educational advantages of YouTube. I think, for example, of our Science Department who use a clip in which some Group 1 metals are dropped into water (there's only so far down the periodic table the teachers can go in class!) or an author the Primary kids are reading who has a series of interviews on YouTube.

 

Not all use of YouTube is by lazy or unprepared teachers, and not every teacher who uses it is doing so in order to be able to put their feet up.

 

Of course the stats you ask for don't exist, but one could probably produce stats showing the benefits of having a teacher who uses videos and visual demonstrations rather than a teacher who instead gives hours of dictation. If used correctly, videos are fantastic classroom resources.

[jdoyle]

To fight the teachers' corner for a moment (risky on this site, I know!) let's consider for a moment the genuine educational advantages of YouTube. I think, for example, of our Science Department who use a clip in which some Group 1 metals are dropped into water (there's only so far down the periodic table the teachers can go in class!) or an author the Primary kids are reading who has a series of interviews on YouTube.

 

Not all use of YouTube is by lazy or unprepared teachers, and not every teacher who uses it is doing so in order to be able to put their feet up.

 

Of course the stats you ask for don't exist, but one could probably produce stats showing the benefits of having a teacher who uses videos and visual demonstrations rather than a teacher who instead gives hours of dictation. If used correctly, videos are fantastic classroom resources.

 

not sure I dismissed the use of video - hence we gather good stuff where we can and bring it in house. For author videos, MeetTheAuthor would be a better resource than YouTube. Are there no Science videos on any other site or from any professional body that can be used? Ditto for other subjects.

[LeMarchand]

To fight the teachers' corner for a moment (risky on this site, I know!) let's consider for a moment the genuine educational advantages of YouTube.

 

I don't think that (on the whole) people doubt that there can be some educational benefits to YT. It's more the worry about inappropriate use and content, failure to look at other resources, and the cost of the system the OP mentioned that seems ridiculous when there are various other cheaper/free options available. I'd personally be more than happy to let teachers use YT IF they all checked the pages for inappropriate comments and content (and took steps to "hide" anything like that) before display to the class AND didn't give out their log on details to children.

[enjay]

For author videos, MeetTheAuthor would be a better resource than YouTube.

 

Not if her videos are on YouTube it wouldn't be!

 

Are there no Science videos on any other site or from any professional body that can be used? Ditto for other subjects.

 

Possibly. Probably, even. However, a number of professional bodies also use YouTube now, and many (most? all?) of the other sites lack the same quantity and/or variety as YouTube.

[enjay]

failure to look at other resources

 

If a suitable resource exists on YT, I don't see it as a failing that the teacher hasn't also tried it find it some place else.

 

the cost of the system the OP mentioned that seems ridiculous when there are various other cheaper/free options available.

 

Absolutely. There are also ways of getting YT which don't cost thousands too.

 

I'd personally be more than happy to let teachers use YT IF they all checked the pages for inappropriate comments and content (and took steps to "hide" anything like that) before display to the class.

 

The same applies to all other sites too, not just YT, and our staff are reminded about the importance of checking web sites before letting a class loose on them.

 

didn't give out their log on details to children.

Any teacher caught doing that here would get a very stern talking to, from myself and SLT.

[LeMarchand]

Whilst, to some degree, I think we're reading from the same page:

 

If a suitable resource exists on YT, I don't see it as a failing that the teacher hasn't also tried it find it some place else.

 

If the LEA has blocked YT and the first port of call is to bleat about it rather than look to see if the resource is available elsewhere, I'd say it is. Of course, if a lot of YT only content is genuinely needed, then it's obviously worth making a case for YT availability.

 

Absolutely. There are also ways of getting YT which don't cost thousands too.

 

...erm, that's what I said/meant.

 

The same applies to all other sites too, not just YT, and our staff are reminded about the importance of checking web sites before letting a class loose on them.

 

Any teacher caught doing that here would get a very stern talking to, from myself and SLT.

 

Want to swap staff?

[enjay]

Want to swap staff?

 

No. You can't have them. They're mine, all mine I tell you!! Muhahahaha.

[AIT]

As the article stated, it does seem a very expensive solution to provide 'safer' access to resources on just one website.

 

Why doesn't YouTube create an educated orientated sister website? If not free to schools, then for a small fee (has to be cheaper than £2000 to £10000 per annum as mentioned in article).

 

They could even call it EduTube, EduYouTube or even EducateYouTube

 

OMG that is an amazing idea!!!!

 

I have registered eduyoutube, educationyoutube, educateyoutube

 

I am going to build this site.

 

The schools could sign up to it having a standard filter or even having the ability to unblock content from youtube itself.

 

Obviously this needs to be free service and I am quite willing to provide it as we have no end of hassle with unblocking and blocking content from youtube so if staff could do this themselves.

 

 

any thoughts???