Why?

[Domino]

The main issue here isn't about job advert discussion.

 

It's more the fact that the discussion rarely adds value and is quite often discouraging. This will only lead to less people wanting to post job adverts here, and that will be detrimental for our members.

 

If you were interested in a job only to see it shot down by your peers you would be discouraged - right?

 

Anyone asking for more DIRECT information can just PM or email the OP.

 

(side note: this is my 2000th post, wooo!)

[teejay]

Ok, I can see both sides to this. The problem stems from the job adverts being posted in a forum, which is as a place for discussion and so people feel aggrieved at not being able to comment, which I can fully understand. If we only had forums where people had to agree with ethe opening post, the this would be a boring place!

Basically the site is trying to use a forum for job vacancies adverts, which on other sites would not be done in a forum. I can understand why this has been done as the site is fundamentally based around the forums and it would have been difficult to do anything else. Maybe the solution is to take the vacancies section out of the forums and have a seperate section like we have for direct support. This would avoid confusion.

[HarryMonkey]

If you were interested in a job only to see it shot down by your peers you would be discouraged - right?

 

Nope! If I was interested in a job, the opinions of others would not alter that.

[Guest richard_s]

Maybe the solution is to take the vacancies section out of the forums and have a seperate section like we have for direct support. This would avoid confusion.

 

I think that this is a good idea as the mods do not seem to want people to discuss the job advertisements.

[mossj]

I know in VB4, you can give the permissions for thread locking in a x forum to the op...

 

Have you had a look? because I wasn't under the impression permissions had been reworked in 3.8>4

[EduTech]

I know in VB4, you can give the permissions for thread locking in a x forum to the op...

 

Have you had a look? because I wasn't under the impression permissions had been reworked in 3.8>4

 

Currently Testing VB4 at the moment and i know shaun is as well. Pretty Smart

 

James.

[witch]

I think that this is a good idea as the mods do not seem to want people to discuss the job advertisements.

 

*sigh* Did you not read what I said? Plainly not.

Quite happy with discussion, but not in the jobs thread, as it can be unproductive and discourage people from posting jobs. AND information about said job gets lost in the general melee.

[sparkeh]

Becasue if the first post in a thread is an advert, the discusion for it should be in a different thread. What you are advertising is irrelevant.

 

In the nicest possible way, that makes no sense.

You are not advertising a video but simply directing people to a video you, and perhaps others, might find funny. This invites comments such as "Yes that is funny" or "Not thats not funny". In reality the comments are pretty meaningless.

 

As discussed above the comments on a job advert are important and could have a negative effect for both advertiser and applicant alike. These adverts invite no comment and really there is no need beyond perhaps a request for more information, which could be handled via PM anyway.

 

Nope! If I was interested in a job, the opinions of others would not alter that.

 

So if you saw a job with comments like "Rubbish pay" or any of the other nonsense going on, it would not effect your view of the job? I simply don't believe that. However if that is true then you are a much stronger willed person than the majority of people here, myself included as this would effect my view, and people could be put of applying for jobs that could be good for them.

[torledo]

So if you saw a job with comments like "Rubbish pay" or any of the other nonsense going on, it would not effect your view of the job?

 

Me personally, not a bit of it. I know my own worth, i know what i'd like to earn and should be earning, i know the going rate or pay in relation to cost of living area. And most people who are job hunting or job moving have an idea of the latter.

 

What does actually help, and perhaps what you've not factored it in 'sparkeh', is for people who know the area if it's a different town to be able to comment on salary in relation to cost of living, housing etc. etc.

 

But no, i'm not influenced either way or put off, by any such comments. Chances are, if someone on here deems it 'rubbish pay', then that particular job for me is a pay cut. So i probably wouldn't be interested, although i'm quite capable of making that decision on me own. Although i think posters tend to elaborate a bit more than that if they do feel compelled to comment....

 

Having said all that, i have no objection to such threads being locked if that's the proposal, it's more important for edugeekers to be made aware of such jobs. So appreciation goes out to posters like IanT who has posted some jobs on here that they've come across. wouldn't want to stop that from continuing....

[bossman]

@witch:

 

Would it not then be a better option to have the Jobs as a seperate entity which would have seperate adverts inside which would then generate their own thread so the advert for that job remains at the top of the thread?

[webman]

Quite happy with discussion, but not in the jobs thread, as it can be unproductive and discourage people from posting jobs. AND information about said job gets lost in the general melee.

 

But if the job does get discussed (just in a slightly different place) - does this make the job poster immune to getting upset about comments on the job advert?

 

I don't see how having the two entities separate will rectify that part of the issue.

[zag]

Personally If I put an advert up I would like people to comment on the wage/experience level since I guess I would want to employ someone who is capable and happy with the remuneration.

 

But then again that's just me.

 

EDIT: of course wage levels differ around the country so some people might need to understand that better before posting.

[witch]

@witch:

 

Would it not then be a better option to have the Jobs as a seperate entity which would have seperate adverts inside which would then generate their own thread so the advert for that job remains at the top of the thread?

 

Yes, that would work too -so you would have a job 'advert' and a separate thread about that job?

 

The thing is, what you all don't see is the number of problems the mods have had to deal with on the jobs threads. Not just people getting 'upset' (and they do have a right to do this, so sneering comments are really not needed), but also people pulling ads for perfectly good jobs because any remark they make is pounced on by the, er, more combative members.

Comments about money are all very well but there are other threads about the sort of salaries you might expect in different parts of the country.

 

I'm sure the powers-that-be will soon come up with an idea.

 

It needs to be more professional IMHO

 

As has been said - you don't comment on a job in the paper by writing in to the paper. What we are after is a proper jobs list that is easily accessible so that employers will feel confident that if they post here, the job will be seen and responded to by people interested. Surely that is for the benefit of all?

Edited January 19, 2010 by witch

[webman]

As has been said - you don't comment on a job in the paper by writing in to the paper.

 

No we can't, but we can cut it out, show it to our friends and discuss if it's a good place to work at, what job it is, what the responsibilities would be and also talk about the pay. What makes a forum better than the newspaper is that discussion would take place in context of the advert.

 

With a newspaper, the poster wouldn't get that great feedback or hear the discussion. On a forum, they do - bonus.

[sparkeh]

It needs to be more professional IMHO

 

As has been said - you don't comment on a job in the paper by writing in to the paper. What we are after is a proper jobs list that is easily accessible so that employers will feel confident that if they post here, the job will be seen and responded to by people interested. Surely that is for the benefit of all?

 

This is another issue that goes back to the "What are we?" question raised by Dos_Box a while ago.

If we do want to be taken increasingly seriously as a community of professionals then yes we have to act professional.

 

I think a separate jobs list is a good idea. Perhaps it needs some kind of proforma for advertisers to fill out so that certain things are covered e.g. "Contact this person for more details".

[mb2k01]

Seems like another reason for this to me:

http://www.edugeek.net/forums/general-chat/46824-forum-rules-code.html

[Domino]

No we can't, but we can cut it out, show it to our friends and discuss if it's a good place to work at, what job it is, what the responsibilities would be and also talk about the pay. What makes a forum better than the newspaper is that discussion would take place in context of the advert.

 

With a newspaper, the poster wouldn't get that great feedback or hear the discussion. On a forum, they do - bonus.

 

aye,

 

and that would be great - were it happening.

 

But its not, people are being pounced on and argued into submission until they ask for their ad's to be deleted

[bossman]

@all:

 

It has been mentioned about us all being a little more professional in our approach to job adverts and in some cases I agree, but also it would benefit all of us if the Job advertised were of a professional format and and not put together in such fashion as to display the inadequacies of the actual employer who is posting the job.

 

Some of the adverts are to be honest, not very well put together and it may be that Edugeek could offer their expertise in putting together an advert as kind of a service, what do other members think?

[mattx]

 

The thing is, what you all don't see is the number of problems the mods have had to deal with on the jobs threads. Not just people getting 'upset' (and they do have a right to do this, so sneering comments are really not needed),

 

Christ, if people are getting upset over that sort of thing then I would hate to see what trivial comment really sets them off.....

[tmcd35]

Christ, if people are getting upset over that sort of thing then I would hate to see what trivial comment really sets them off.....

 

Give us a chance, it's almost 'that time of the month'

[Guest richard_s]

*sigh* Did you not read what I said? Plainly not.

Quite happy with discussion, but not in the jobs thread, as it can be unproductive and discourage people from posting jobs. AND information about said job gets lost in the general melee.

 

Sorry but what is the point of then if we cannot post directly to the thread in question. It now seems like the mods are trying to dictate what we can and cannot say on on those posts and we all know where it can lead.

[torledo]

Christ, if people are getting upset over that sort of thing then I would hate to see what trivial comment really sets them off.....

 

come on mattx, have you not read the sign on the front door.......sneering is not helpful.

[mossj]

getting dangerously close to godwins law here

 

p.s It's rarely the advertisers that post it onto the forum, and when they do it's rarely anyone that has any control of the spec or pay. So why not discuss it?

 

If they don't want a discussion around it go post it elsewhere...

Edited January 19, 2010 by mossj

[mattx]

getting dangerously close to godwins law here

 

p.s It's rarely the advertisers that post it onto the forum, and when they do it's rarely anyone that has any control of the spec or pay. So why not discuss it?

 

If they don't want a discussion around it go post it elsewhere...

 

I don't blame Hitler, I blame Thatcher.

[IanT]

Wow, this thread still going, didnt know I was gonna cause a fuss!!