nicholab Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 Is it me it the or have these people seal there own death by running and driving like the idiots they are!! It not any great lost to socity these people anyway!!
localzuk Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 It's not the idiots doing the running that are the issue, it's the poor innocents they slam into...
TwoZeroAlpha Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 Source? It's not always the prat in the blingged up Nova/Saxo/$rustbucket that gets dead, all too often it's the poor young mum walking her toddler down the street. A preventable death that could have occurred if the police had not been chasing so aggressively. This reason is very often why police back off when chasing a reckless driver. I'd happily support a move to put a disable device in cars. Police put reg into computer and get a "kill code" (scrambled for your car etc) or even have an RFID style transponder. Point device at car and immobiliser kicks in (also doors lock until released). Obviously this would not prevent people using cloned plates, but would be a good step in the right direction. Kill a chase before it even begins.
witch Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 66 per cent increase in people killed in police chases - Telegraph
apoth0r Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 Make the driving age 21 or over? Then again why should the majority of teenagers suffer because of a few..... These things happen, it's never going to churn out a zero figure of accidents.
localzuk Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 Make the driving age 21 or over? Then again why should the majority of teenagers suffer because of a few..... These things happen, it's never going to churn out a zero figure of accidents. You think these people who fail to stop, then crash into things are legitimately licensed drivers? Watch any of the cop shows on TV and you'll see how many of them are a) underage b) unlicensed c) stolen and occasionally you get drunk people too - but that is usually mixed with the above.
nicholab Posted July 17, 2009 Author Posted July 17, 2009 I have been driving 9 years and never been chased yet!!! Or stopped well I have but that was for a survey. I been a road user form the age of 11 as I cycle since that age!
TechMonkey Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 It is very tricky. Some of the cases mentioned in that article are clearly the police officer in the wrong. But other times they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. they either back off, let a criminal get away with it and reinforce that they can get away with it or deal with the situation and bring it to a close as best they can. Criminals are more and more driving as dangerously as possible to force the police to back off, which in my mind is just wrong! There was a case a few years ago where a police pursuit driver was ordered to back of a motorbike as the riders hadn't got helmets on. That wasn't why they were being persued, they had carried out a violent assault on someone. After this was publised there was a huge rise in pursuits of motorcylists without hemlmets. People had purposely gone out to commit crimes with their escape plan as riding dangerously to make the police back off. The article is right about differing policies though. It was a while ago but heard a great story of a pursuit on the borders of Essex & London (Met area). A pursuit had been going on for a long while in one of the areas. The driver finally made a break across in to the other area (so would be dealt with the other force). Within a few minutes of crossing the dividing line a traffic officer had shunted the car off the road. Pursuit over in a satisfactory manner.
ahuxham Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 Last nights Traffic Cops on BBC1 highlighted two points: 1) Police are not allowed to chase people on motorbikes if they fail to stop. 2) Police are no longer allow to chase people in cars when the driver is suspected as being young. This more likely due to the fact that chasing them, most certainly entertains accident/death.
localzuk Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 Last nights Traffic Cops on BBC1 highlighted two points: 1) Police are not allowed to chase people on motorbikes if they fail to stop. 2) Police are no longer allow to chase people in cars when the driver is suspected as being young. This more likely due to the fact that chasing them, most certainly entertains accident/death. Not quite - what that show pointed out is that the police can't do those things in that police force. It also pointed out that these kids who do these things end up with a driving ban and a supervision order. Well, the ban is pointless, as they're already banned! They're underage!!
TechMonkey Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 Not quite - what that show pointed out is that the police can't do those things in that police force. It also pointed out that these kids who do these things end up with a driving ban and a supervision order. Well, the ban is pointless, as they're already banned! They're underage!! Agreed, as proved by the video of a police officer following a bike around Hastings way I think it was. If I remember rightly the ban is stored until useful, so when they turn 17/18 they will not be able to get a license for a year, plus it will be shown once they do get one so stuff insurance for them. But it is pretty useless to them at that point.
dalsoth Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 You think these people who fail to stop, then crash into things are legitimately licensed drivers? Watch any of the cop shows on TV and you'll see how many of them are a) underage b) unlicensed c) stolen and occasionally you get drunk people too - but that is usually mixed with the above. I watch these shows all the time, you could say i am addicted to them. How many of these tearaways get prison time? 3 months maybe for the few who do? You can drive around smashing up streets near killing kids in prams and STILL go home to mummy and daddy if you are a teenager. How about we just lock up the idiots for 5 years minimum? Sensible sentences for those who endanger others lives. I would prefer stiffer sentences but i doubt that would happen. 10 years would be better.
localzuk Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 Agreed. The danger these people put the public in is ridiculous. But the government is more interested in chasing an anti-drug agenda.
sted Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 It's not the idiots doing the running that are the issue, it's the poor innocents they slam into... and the poor sod who has to clear up after them that cant be a nice job Make the driving age 21 or over? Then again why should the majority of teenagers suffer because of a few..... These things happen, it's never going to churn out a zero figure of accidents. young driver accidents probably wouldnt change much by increasing the driving age as its often inexperience rather than age (yes some 17 year olds are pillocks abn "will drive it like they stole it" soem wont but the same is true of 40 year olds who are also supposed to be more likely to frive while drunk
Michael Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 What's always confused me about the DVLA, is that they don't make driving on the motorway part of the learning process. There's an optional Pass Plus which you don't have to take, but driving at high speeds 50MPH+ in my opinion is a totally different driving experience. I think the only way to experience the danger of driving at higher speeds is to actually do it in practice on a test track specially designed to educate young drivers. I think this would really make a difference of why they shouldn't do it, so they can kill a cardboard child in a test environment and not a real child, in a real street.
sted Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 What's always confused me about the DVLA, is that they don't make driving on the motorway part of the learning process. There's an optional Pass Plus which you don't have to take, but driving at high speeds 50MPH+ in my opinion is a totally different driving experience. cant speak for anyone else but i find motorway driving much easier than any other as its just hold constant rpm/speed and drive in a straight line you just need situational awareness so you know when a car is alongside etc but thats not something i think can be taught as such
dalsoth Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 The kids driving like maniacs on these shows don't always have licences and don't seem the sort to bother. Most of them are like 15-16 and from deprived council estates having a "laugh". Either that or drugs. If they were responsible enough to wait till they were old enough and then get a licence and go on a special fast driving track they probably would be different kids than the ones playing rally racing in the streets.
apoth0r Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 Again as i've put in many many topics like this, no child is the same and will deal with life differently. Regardless of policy / laws. Stiff sentences for the ones that do commit these crimes is a deterrent and should not be eased up on because of their age. Yes they made a mistake but at the end of the day 99.9% of other kids didn't. Why taint the rest with the same brush...
srochford Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 66 per cent increase in people killed in police chases - Telegraph This is a classic mis-use of statistics! it is a 66% increase but it's actually just 16 people (a total of 40 died). OK; 40 people dying like this is 40 unnecessary deaths but it's still not as bad as a headline "66%" suggests!
Disaster Posted July 17, 2009 Posted July 17, 2009 they (not teenegers) always seem to get 3 months in jail!? which is rubbish. teenagers get nowt. rubbish.
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