Arthur Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) Source: Microsoft Over the last year, you may have noticed our movement away from Internet Explorer (“IE”) support, such as an announcement of the end of IE support by Microsoft 365 online services. Today, we are at the next stage of that journey: we are announcing that the future of Internet Explorer on Windows 10 is in Microsoft Edge. Not only is Microsoft Edge a faster, more secure and more modern browsing experience than Internet Explorer, but it is also able to address a key concern: compatibility for older, legacy websites and applications. Microsoft Edge has Internet Explorer mode (“IE mode”) built in, so you can access those legacy Internet Explorer-based websites and applications straight from Microsoft Edge. With Microsoft Edge capable of assuming this responsibility and more, the Internet Explorer 11 desktop application will be retired and go out of support on 15 June 2022, for certain versions of Windows 10. Note: This retirement does not affect in-market Windows 10 LTSC or Server Internet Explorer 11 desktop applications. It also does not affect the MSHTML (Trident) engine. For a full list of what is in scope for this announcement, and for other technical questions, please see our FAQ. Continues... Edited May 19, 2021 by Arthur 1
free780 Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 Having seen what happens when you remove it (some sites till needs it IE Banking) the solution of blocking via GPO IE standalone and using the Enterprise mode in Edge is a good one. The only annoying thing with the list in XML is if you have a few CCTV Camera you cant enter 192.168.1.* you have to put in each individual IP or DNS name. Hopefully Vendors will completely move away from Internet Explorer, ActiveX etc 1
jthompson Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 Glad to see that there's no stated end date for IE mode in Edge. That would've been a pain. I'm sure that to MS, the idea of the entire world adopting their proprietary browser tech seemed like a good idea at the time...
paulkerton Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 Hopefully Vendors will completely move away from Internet Explorer, ActiveX etc You'd hope, but they need to announce an end-date to IE mode in Edge and Trident engine support for those developers to pull their fingers out and fix their solutions. Otherwise, they'll leave them stagnate but rake in the cash.
pete Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 Has anyone managed to use Edge with Hikvision NVR? The Web Component plugin for viewing footage? I've half-heartedly attempted a couple of times, but we tend to use the desktop software install. For managing the units, Chrome works fine - haven't tried new Edge.
chrisakak9 Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 Has anyone managed to use Edge with Hikvision NVR?can you not use ie mode in edge https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/edge-ie-mode
eddyc Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 We completely removed IE using Powershell from all clients last summer holidays and no one has complained nor did anything break All clients have Google Chrome and Edge Chromium available. We’ve removed IE from most servers too with no notable impact.
free780 Posted May 22, 2021 Posted May 22, 2021 We completely removed IE using Powershell from all clients last summer holidays and no one has complained nor did anything break All clients have Google Chrome and Edge Chromium available. We’ve removed IE from most servers too with no notable impact.We saw issues with finance web sites with this. Just be aware before you pull the legacy plug.
caffrey Posted May 22, 2021 Posted May 22, 2021 We saw issues with finance web sites with this. Just be aware before you pull the legacy plug. Barclays...... List 99 used to too, but that's gone now (phew)
Jobos Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 can you not use ie mode in edge https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/edge-ie-mode Spent a while on this today and added the IPs of the 2 NVR we have to GP to force IE mode but strangely only one of the NVR is working in IE mode with the other one still asking to install the plugin.
jthompson Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 Spent a while on this today and added the IPs of the 2 NVR we have to GP to force IE mode but strangely only one of the NVR is working in IE mode with the other one still asking to install the plugin. We have an NVR that'll prompt to install an Active-X plugin, but doing so when running the browser as an admin fixes it for all users of that PC.
Jaan Posted June 13, 2022 Posted June 13, 2022 Not long now. I wonder if MS will remove it in an "update". i might just applock it here. but not sure what security implication it will have still being installed on the machine
Koldov Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 Does anyone know where you can set TLS or SSL in Chrome. We have a testing website that is going to be used soon and it states: "administrators should enable the school network and internet browser to communicate securely over the TLS 1.2 protocol" I've done a quick search and the instructions that I've seem to be either out of date or 1. Open Google Chrome. 2. Click Alt F and select Settings. 3. Scroll down and select Show advanced settings... 4. Scroll down to the System section and click on Open proxy settings... 5. Select the Advanced tab. 6. Scroll down to Security category, manually check the option box for Use TLS 1.2 7. Click OK When I open Chrome settings, there is no 'Security' section in 'Advanced'... ...and other 'helpful' websites with these same exact instructions then blatantly show a picture of IE settings...
jthompson Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 Step 4 of your instructions is meant to take you from Chrome to the "Internet Properties" Control Panel dialogue (same as just running inetcpl.cpl from your Start menu), such that step 5 is happening in inetcpl.cpl. These days, opening proxy settings from Chrome is probably going to take you to the new Windows Settings app instead, which I don't think gives you the protocol options you're after. You should therefore run inetcpl.cpl, go to the Advanced tab and scroll down to the bottom for the TLS tickboxes. I'd be somewhat surprised if don't already have TLS 1.2 enabled, though. Support for TLS 1.0 and 1.1 was depricated from Chrome a few years ago now, and disabling them both for Windows clients is recommended. 1
free780 Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 Step 4 of your instructions is meant to take you from Chrome to the "Internet Properties" Control Panel dialogue (same as just running inetcpl.cpl from your Start menu), such that step 5 is happening in inetcpl.cpl. These days, opening proxy settings from Chrome is probably going to take you to the new Windows Settings app instead, which I don't think gives you the protocol options you're after. You should therefore run inetcpl.cpl, go to the Advanced tab and scroll down to the bottom for the TLS tickboxes. I'd be somewhat surprised if don't already have TLS 1.2 enabled, though. Support for TLS 1.0 and 1.1 was depricated from Chrome a few years ago now, and disabling them both for Windows clients is recommended. Really you need quite a few registry entries to force TLS 1.2 for client and server connections. Of course you need to make sure TLS 1.0/1.1 isn't in use anywhere. 1
jthompson Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 Assuming we're talking about a website that requires TLS 1.2, as long as TLS 1.2. is enabled on the client (which I assume it is these days on Windows), Chrome will just use it. 1
tmoon-mint Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 I suspect the June cumulative update will at the very least disable it just like MS did with Flash player when that went EOL.
Koldov Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 Thanks all! Yeah none of those steps in the instructions take me anywhere that I can check TLS (the proxy settings in Windows is just that)! Isn't 'inetcpl.cpl' part of Internet Explorer then, doesn't that go when IE is uninstalled or prevented from running? It opens the same dialogue and has the same settings in as those we set in IE.
3s-gtech Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 Managed to get our old Eclipse (on-site Silverlight) install working in Edge in IE Mode, I have removed IE from Start menus across the school and I'm pretty hopeful there's nothing else that needs it.
jthompson Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 Isn't 'inetcpl.cpl' part of Internet Explorer then, doesn't that go when IE is uninstalled or prevented from running? It opens the same dialogue and has the same settings in as those we set in IE. I think the inetcpl dialogue exists separately from the IE desktop application. It's part of the Control Panel and governs the user's system proxy, as I understand it. Third-party browsers take their proxy settings from it. Firefox, for instance, when set to "Use system proxy settings", will use those in inetcpl. Chrome used to have similar options as Firefox back in the day, but now just seems to use the system proxy, without any option for the user to specify one manually within Chrome itself. 1
Koldov Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 So, how are we doing this throughout our networks then? Remove it or disable it...? Or will there be some sort of Windows Update (as mentioned for Flash)? Manually, GPO, Script?
chaplic Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 Theres a GPO you can set which basically redirects any call to IE to edge. MS are coming out with patches in the coming months, but the switch setting is pretty comprehensive. Don't remove IE if you're using IE mode anywhere. 1
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