[ms office - o365] office 365 or office 2016

[kennysarmy]

In that case, when you renew your license, your supplier should put you on EES anyway due to how the model works.

 

OK.

 

So whilst I am in "limbo" is there a way to setup Office 365 Pro Plus on Windows 1903 without the activation screens appearing for users?

 

 

 

I've gone the test PC's registering with Azure AD now (hybrid)

[CHiLL]

OK.

 

So whilst I am in "limbo" is there a way to setup Office 365 Pro Plus on Windows 1903 without the activation screens appearing for users?

 

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I've gone the test PC's registering with Azure AD now (hybrid)

If I remember correctly when I was doing this testing - Office 365 worked with SSO (from Windows) for about the first 5 times. After that it prompted the user to sign in. Some users could sign in, some got errors. Even those who were able to sign in had activation issues in Office and it was unusable. This was also the case when Microsoft introduced DBA (predecessor to DBS) and we found out that a A1 license was required, which was extremely difficult to obtain outside the US. The DBA method required a hybrid Azure AD domain and registering the devices, which apparently worked. I received an A1 license just after Microsoft ditched DBA for DBS, which was extremely annoying.

 

Honestly, without EES and DBS, I don't think you can get it working correctly. We just pushed Office 2019 instead.

[sparkeh]

@kennysarmy do you happen, by chance to have the A1 Plus licences in your 365 tenant?

 

If so you might still be able to use the old way of doing DBA (still works for us here).

[kennysarmy]

Response from my licencing guy at Capita!

 

I suspected as much, unfortunately based on the full EES/Campus having a qualifying FTE (or Knowledge Workers as I believe they are now known under that scheme) of a 1000 even if you wanted to move to EES you are basically looking at around £48000 ex-vat per year just to cover the equivalent of your Desktop pack so I suspect your finance guys may not be too keen

 

 

 

Full EES/Campus really only applies to large EDU institutions/Trust wide agreements but I suspect with most things Microsoft the O365 Device licence may eventually filter down to the OVSES

[kennysarmy]

@kennysarmy do you happen, by chance to have the A1 Plus licences in your 365 tenant?

 

If so you might still be able to use the old way of doing DBA (still works for us here).

 

I've got : Office 365 A1 for faculty (and students)

[kennysarmy]

If I remember correctly when I was doing this testing - Office 365 worked with SSO (from Windows) for about the first 5 times. After that it prompted the user to sign in. Some users could sign in, some got errors. Even those who were able to sign in had activation issues in Office and it was unusable. This was also the case when Microsoft introduced DBA (predecessor to DBS) and we found out that a A1 license was required, which was extremely difficult to obtain outside the US. The DBA method required a hybrid Azure AD domain and registering the devices, which apparently worked. I received an A1 license just after Microsoft ditched DBA for DBS, which was extremely annoying.

 

Honestly, without EES and DBS, I don't think you can get it working correctly. We just pushed Office 2019 instead.

 

OK, what do you lose by going the Office 2019 route instead over a working Office 365 Pro Plus version?

[kennysarmy]

Fired an email off to Phoenixs.

 

This was their response!

 

Despite this if you have Office pro plus as part of your OVS agreement you should be able to then gain access to the on premise download for staff and students for O365 pro plus for free.

 

 

 

Lines for OVS look like the below.

 

 

 

OVS-ES Office 365 Professional Plus Open Faculty Shared Server All Language OLV Level E 1 Month Academic Additional Product Add On toOPP Monthly Subscription *Price per Month* (additional product licence)- Academic- Licence (Free)

 

 

 

OVS-ES Office 365 Professional Plus Open Shared Server All Language OLV No Level 1 Month Academic - *Student Only* - STUUseBnft Monthly Subscription *Price per Month* (Additional Product Licence) - Academic – Licence (free on ratio of 1:15 w/ staff)

 

 

Are they wrong? Or is this not the right add-on licence required?

[CHiLL]

OK, what do you lose by going the Office 2019 route instead over a working Office 365 Pro Plus version?

Office 2019 is basically Office 365 1808. So anything implemented in Office 365 since 1808 is missing in 2019.

 

Fired an email off to Phoenixs.

 

This was their response!

 

Despite this if you have Office pro plus as part of your OVS agreement you should be able to then gain access to the on premise download for staff and students for O365 pro plus for free.

 

 

 

Lines for OVS look like the below.

 

 

 

OVS-ES Office 365 Professional Plus Open Faculty Shared Server All Language OLV Level E 1 Month Academic Additional Product Add On toOPP Monthly Subscription *Price per Month* (additional product licence)- Academic- Licence (Free)

 

 

 

OVS-ES Office 365 Professional Plus Open Shared Server All Language OLV No Level 1 Month Academic - *Student Only* - STUUseBnft Monthly Subscription *Price per Month* (Additional Product Licence) - Academic – Licence (free on ratio of 1:15 w/ staff)

 

 

Are they wrong? Or is this not the right add-on licence required?

You are entitled to install/use Office 365 as part of OVS-ES and it works great for staff/students to use personally or on one-to-one devices. However when you deploy it in a shared environment, such as an IT suite, you'll encounter all sorts of licensing issues.

[localzuk]

One thing to remember - if you use SIMS .Net, Office 365 isn't supported by them. Their latest supported version is Office 2016. Summer 2020 release will introduce support for Office 2019.

[kennysarmy]

One thing to remember - if you use SIMS .Net, Office 365 isn't supported by them. Their latest supported version is Office 2016. Summer 2020 release will introduce support for Office 2019.

 

oh FFS

[Boredguy]

Just because it's not supported, does not mean it does not work.

 

The only "glitch" we have with Office 365 (We are using A1 Plus for Student/Faculty Licences with DBA on our stations) is reports that require a macro to complete will close down any other excel sessions on the PC. Other than that it's fine

[localzuk]

Just because it's not supported, does not mean it does not work.

The only "glitch" we have with Office 365 (We are using A1 Plus for Student/Faculty Licences with DBA on our stations) is reports that require a macro to complete will close down any other excel sessions on the PC. Other than that it's fine

And support will blame your using the wrong version if you do have any issues. "Oh, we don't support that version, sorry".

[kennysarmy]

Just because it's not supported, does not mean it does not work.

 

The only "glitch" we have with Office 365 (We are using A1 Plus for Student/Faculty Licences with DBA on our stations) is reports that require a macro to complete will close down any other excel sessions on the PC. Other than that it's fine

 

Can you point me to the guide you used to get the licence activation to work please?

 

This post was suggesting to me it was no longer working / supported?

 

http://www.edugeek.net/forums/office-software/211996-office-365-device-based-activation.html

[Boredguy]

Yep, MS have done away with that feature for new licence activation it seems.

Because we set ours up while it was still available, our newly added stations still activate.

[kennysarmy]

I've raised a support call with Microsoft to find out what school's are meant to do who want to deploy Office 365 ProPlus with DBS if they are on an OVS-ES rather than EES agreement.

 

If anyone wants to do the same and link in my call reference it is : ‎#‎18414510‎ with title "Device-based Subscription (DBS) for Education"

[kennysarmy]

I've raised a support call with Microsoft to find out what school's are meant to do who want to deploy Office 365 ProPlus with DBS if they are on an OVS-ES rather than EES agreement.

 

If anyone wants to do the same and link in my call reference it is : ‎#‎18414510‎ with title "Device-based Subscription (DBS) for Education"

 

MS response!

 

Good Afternoon. This is Lyn again from Office 365 Support and this is regarding the ticket 18414510 about the Device-based Subscription (DBS) for Education.

 

 

 

Summary of Case :

 

You are right that the Office 365 ProPlus for Education (device) is an add-on license that is available only for education customers and is available only through Enrollment for Education Solutions (EES). As confirmed from this article : https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployoffice/device-based-licensing

 

 

I also understand the frustration that other agreement such as CSP, OVS-ES etc were note part of it, but I'm hoping that Microsoft will have an option to have it in the future.

 

 

Unfortunately, on our end we do not have further details we can provide aside from the article above. The only thing that we can suggest also was to move from OVS to EES agreement but I understand that its not a good option for you.

 

 

Suggested Actions:

 

I suggest since OVS is a Volume Licensing program, we suggest you contact the Volume Licensing support for further assistance via the link below:

https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/Help/Contact.aspx

 

Again, we apologize that we only have limited details that we can provide about it. In case you have the time, I appreciate that this is one of our opportunity that we can improve the features to work with OVS and other agreement platform in the future and with that said, we would like to hear it and address it to our Microsoft developers. Kindly check Customer Feedback for Microsoft Office 365 - UserVoice and you can post these ideas.

 

 

Thanks for your understanding.

[sparkeh]

365 licensing is a hot mess at the moment.

 

I know that DBA is not longer supported (well is was never supported in the UK) but it does work so... maybe an option?

[localzuk]

If you can get hold of an installer old enough, DBA still works. We still use one that works here.

[kennysarmy]

365 licensing is a hot mess at the moment.

 

I know that DBA is not longer supported (well is was never supported in the UK) but it does work so... maybe an option?

 

You don't say....try following this link!

 

https://officedba.azurewebsites.net/onboarding/signup.aspx

 

I've moved on to raising a call with the "Volume Licensing support" team!

 

Case is Case 2001240020002106 Open Value Subscription.

[abaxter2]

You don't say....try following this link!

 

https://officedba.azurewebsites.net/onboarding/signup.aspx

 

I've moved on to raising a call with the "Volume Licensing support" team!

 

Case is Case 2001240020002106 Open Value Subscription.

I'm still using the old shared device based activation that uses the A1 plus licence.

 

If the new version of device based activation will not work with an OVS agreement then maybe the shared activation could be on option:

 

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployoffice/overview-of-shared-computer-activation-for-office-365-proplus

 

Ive not tried the shared activation or know how long it will be supported for, but might be worth looking into.

[sparkeh]

If you can get hold of an installer old enough, DBA still works. We still use one that works here.

 

Or the latest version of opptransition.exe

 

The latest version works with the latest 365 installation source.

[kennysarmy]

REPLY!

 

Dear Jeff,

 

 

Thank you for contacting Microsoft’s Volume Licensing support.

 

 

 

Please be informed, we act as web guides for the Volume Licensing Service Center (VLSC) portal and assist with access/navigation and post-purchase Volume Licensing contract management on the VLSC portal.

 

 

 

We recommend to try checking with the Office 365 Sales team for options on purchasing the Office 365 ProPlus Device-based Subscription for Education, as the query is outside of our support scope.

 

The Team can be contacted via phone under +44-(0)800 032 6417, option 1 and 3.

 

Alternatively, please also try checking with your Distributor Ingram Micro UK.

 

 

Thank you for your understanding and we wish you a pleasant day.

 

 

With kind regards,

 

Magdalena

 

 

 

Microsoft Customer Service and Support

 

 

 

Your service request number is 2001240020002106 in case you need it.

[localzuk]

So, you're going in circles there then @kennysarmy. Which is what I knew would happen - basically, someone in a department we don't have access to is the one who makes this decision, and support or licensing don't have any say.

[kennysarmy]

So, you're going in circles there then @kennysarmy. Which is what I knew would happen - basically, someone in a department we don't have access to is the one who makes this decision, and support or licensing don't have any say.

 

Used the contact form on the MS Education Site to ask someone to contact me to discuss a licencing issue.

 

I'll also give the number above a ring later.

 

Perhaps they are n't aware of the issue

[mitchell1981]

Did anyone else attempt to get an answer about this at BETT?

 

I tried, but despite there being multiple displays promoting the benefits of Office 365, the presenters seemed oblivious to the fact that it was impossible to actually buy it!

 

To be fair I think most of the people on there were partners, and not actually from Microsoft.

 

I did find a guy who seemed to be there to give purchasing advice, but he didn't have a clue and just suggested getting A1 licences.