chazzy2501 Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 Holy Moley, the licensing is crazy expensive these days, this is now over £5.5k for me. each fte (which now includes a .5 fte count for cleaning staff etc.) more than £48 per FTE this is starting to hurt. At this rate our school would be paying Microsoft over £60,000 in the next ten years.
bossman Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 @chazzy2501 We have just paid just over £6k for our Microsoft licensing.... We are slowly but surely going down the full Google pathway...just a couple of hurdles to manage and we will be there.... Freedom has never been so close.... Its a no brainer now with Microsoft, even for education, twisting the cash cows udders til they hurt....
PotNoodleTech Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 Cleaning staff??!! They use the PCs regularly to do their job do they? As an aside, maybe Mav was right, maybe open source IS the way forward....... .........Or chromebooks!!
witch Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 @chazzy2501 We are slowly but surely going down the full Google pathway...just a couple of hurdles to manage and we will be there.... Freedom has never been so close.... . ...and then Google will start to charge...
flyinghaggis Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) ...and then Google will start to charge... Yeah, I think we need to be aware it's unlikely that Google Apps and Office365 will remain at their current pricing levels once all the onsite systems have been migrated into the cloud. I'd fully expect the current pricing levels (or even lack of in Google's case) is very much a "New Customers Only Introductory Offer" to encourage schools to migrate to their platforms! Edited June 18, 2019 by flyinghaggis
FN-GM Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 It's not that expensive compared to what companies pay. An IT service is very expensive to run and this isn't reflected in lots of schools budgets. 2
PotNoodleTech Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 It's funny, we've had it easy for the last 5+ years. Back in the [really] old days it was £90 per windows licence and about £35 per office licence, per PC, which for us would be x600 PCS. Do the maths on that, and EES/OVS has been a godsend.
bossman Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) ...and then Google will start to charge... Where on Googles manifesto does it state this? Or do you always know? https://edu.google.com/products/gsuite-for-education/editions/?modal_active=none Edited June 18, 2019 by bossman 2
PotNoodleTech Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 Where on Googles manifesto does it state this? Or do you you always know? https://edu.google.com/products/gsuite-for-education/editions/?modal_active=none It seems fairly logical to me that companies like google and microsoft will not allow us to use their software for free, forever. Especially when we stop buying their PC based software in droves.
Areku Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 to be fair, i remember back in... 06 our licenses where about 13k-14k a year..
XiJ Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 There’s also an annual cost for chrome books although granted it’s not in the league if MS licensing. We’re now at a point with MS where their M365 offering is better value for us in a lot of cases - when it comes to ovs renewal time.
FN-GM Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 It seems fairly logical to me that companies like google and microsoft will not allow us to use their software for free, forever. Especially when we stop buying their PC based software in droves. I can't see Google charging as it could hit their Chromebook sales. It won't cost them much to offer services to schools anyway. The vast majority of accounts will be allocated to students and they use hardly any storage compared to staff. I can't see Google or Microsoft wanting to be the first to charge schools for their cloud products so I can't see any of them budging for the time being.
FN-GM Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 There’s also an annual cost for chrome books although granted it’s not in the league if MS licensing. It's a one off cost for the device licence. Its also technically optional - but realistically its needed in schools.
LeMarchand Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 Where on Googles manifesto does it state this? Well, they have already removed "Don't be evil": https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-dont-be-evil-code-conduct-removed-alphabet-a8361276.html Or do you you always know? Yes, she does.
Arthur Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 Well, they have already removed "Don't be evil": https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct 1
bossman Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) Well, they have already removed "Don't be evil": https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-dont-be-evil-code-conduct-removed-alphabet-a8361276.html Aww nooooo! Not the Independent!!! It must be gospel if its printed in their foolsprint!! Yes, she does. Don't make me laugh too much will you!!!....last time I nearly paid my TV license hahahahaha! Edited June 18, 2019 by bossman
LeMarchand Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct From the article I quoted: Google, which is now a subsidiary of Alphabet after a corporate restructuring in 2015, previously included the phrase “Don’t be evil” at the very start of its code, and another two times within the first two paragraphs. The simple language was replaced by vague and less specific wording such as “ethical business conduct”. “The Google Code of Conduct is one of the ways we put Google’s values into practice,” the updated guidelines begins. “It’s built around the recognition that everything we do in connection with our work at Google will be, and should be, measured against the highest possible standards of ethical business conduct.” The famous motto is now included only once in the 6,313-word document, right at the very end as a final aside: “And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!” 1
jmak Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) I reckon that for at least the near future Google's basic offering will be free, but that they'll gradually add in more and more premium features that won't be available in the free offering. Still think they'll "give away" more than M$ as their normal business model is give away the main product for free and find another way to monetise it. M$ had always charged for it's offerings. Edited June 18, 2019 by jmak 1
free780 Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) I can see perpetual Windows and Office licences cost more than Microsoft 365 user licences. Basically forcing you into Office 365 / AzureAD. I can't see any org going 100% into Gsuite as Windows is still required for Win32 apps such as Exam Software. On the Google Side how do you do conditional access? Edited June 18, 2019 by free780
Asgard Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 I make many tears when I sign ours off. Granted it’s a large Sixth Form and a High School with a combined FTE of 215.
flyinghaggis Posted June 18, 2019 Posted June 18, 2019 I reckon that for at least the near future Google's basic offering will be free, but that they'll gradually add in more and more premium features that won't be available in the free offering. Still think they'll "give away" more than M$ as their normal business model is give away the main product for free and find another way to monetise it. Pretty much this really. Tiered pricing levels will be the thing. You'll probably get what we currently have for free but new features will be chargeable (at least initially).
Andycat Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 Holy Moley, the licensing is crazy expensive these days, this is now over £5.5k for me. each fte (which now includes a .5 fte count for cleaning staff etc.) more than £48 per FTE this is starting to hurt. At this rate our school would be paying Microsoft over £60,000 in the next ten years. To be fair, ours were £36 after quotes. I think this is pretty good value (127 FTE but 1800 users!)
TechMonkey Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 Just to check, are you talking ex-Vat? If you are, have a strong word with your supplier, if it is inc-Vat then have a slightly less strong word with your supplier. We are 150 FTE and getting £37.09 ex-VAT, which is 44.50 all in so still beating you by £4.
mavhc Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 There's not much advantage in paying for Windows now Win 10 Pro is free upgrades forever, so just have to switch to LibreOffice, MSOffice Online, and GSuite.
localzuk Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 One of the many reasons we're going Google to be honest. The plan is over the next 5 years roll out Chromebooks to all on a 1:1 basis, and migrate general files etc into Google apps. We also have a soft goal of getting rid of onsite servers in 2 years. Or, at the least, not replacing our current ones and making them last until we're fully "cloudy". Our licensing is about £18k this year.
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