timbo343 Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) The mcrosoft EDU event popped up on my twitter feed tonight if anyone wanted to watch it tomorrow.. Live Stream Link: Learn what?s next | #MicrosoftEDU Here's the link to the Microsft EDU page.. Where and when to watch the #MicrosoftEDU event on Tuesday, May 2 | Windows Central What To Expect.. Here's what to expect at Microsoft's NYC hardware event this week | Windows Central EDIT: tweaked title a little bit and added direct stream link - ZH Edited May 2, 2017 by ZeroHour 3
flyinghaggis Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) I'm curious to see what they announce though the rumoured "Windows 10 cloud" sounds an worryingly like they've just simply rebranded Windows RT! Hopefully it's a bit more than just that Edited May 1, 2017 by flyinghaggis 1
Zoom7000 Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 I'm curious to see what they announce though the rumoured "Windows 10 cloud" sounds an worryingly like they've just simply rebranded Windows RT! Hopefully it's a bit more than just that This is what I was thinking too. Feels like we've definitely been here before with Windows RT and frankly put, nothing really has changed. Edge doesn't really have an extension store and the Windows Store still seems to be an after thought that no one really cares about.
Arthur Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Feels like we've definitely been here before with Windows RT and frankly put, nothing really has changed. This time the low-end devices running Windows 10 Cloud might not suck? Microsoft's new push into education is the right move — at the right time Microsoft is poised, however, to get back into education. Windows RT was a disaster for the company on many levels, including its confusing name, poor marketing, software limitations, and pricing. The Windows 10 Cloud OS, which may go by the name "Windows 10 S" when unveiled on 2 May is a different scenario. This time, Microsoft has a story to tell and a strategy to market this version of Windows to the right audience. Key differences between Windows RT and Windows 10 Cloud OSes include: A more mature Store for Windows Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps. The ability for the OS to be upgraded to a Home or Pro license. Capacity to run Win32 apps via "Project Centennial" bridge apps via the Store. A hardware team that's more in tune with commercial and consumer needs and desires. Combined with advancements in hardware and improvements to the OS, Microsoft has clear goals it wants to achieve with Windows 10 Cloud. the Windows Store still seems to be an afterthought that no one really cares about. I wonder if the situation will improve after Windows 7 is EOL in three years time? I guess probably not, since schools are increasingly using web-based (SaaS) apps.
Zoom7000 Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 It just feels like the "improvements" from Windows RT to "Windows 10 Cloud/S" simply aren't significant enough... A more mature Store for Windows Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps. - Not sure just how much more mature the Store actually is. Developers just aren't developing UWP apps. Consumer base is really where app engagement is at and that hasn't attracted a lot of interest. I can't see education having much of a shake up. Even Microsoft owned LinkedIn doesn't have a UWP app... yet! Capacity to run Win32 apps via "Project Centennial" bridge apps via the Store. - Does this not open up "Windows 10 Cloud" to the same potential security issues and viruses as regular Windows? (Ransomware? Need to have Anti-Virus on the device?) A hardware team that's more in tune with commercial and consumer needs and desires. - This remains to be seen, they might be commercially and consumer aware, but education? They've been at it for so long and yet they don't have any education built in tools for Windows Server et all. - The specs look fine in comparison to Chromebooks, but the Chromebooks have shown that specs is not where it's at. It's the underlying architecture (G Suite vs Office 365), support, apps (Chrome Web Store/Google Play vs Windows Store) which is so much more mature with a head start. I wonder if the situation will improve after Windows 7 is EOL in three years time? I guess probably not, since schools are increasingly using web-based (SaaS) apps. - It all just sounds like too little, too late. Let's see what this evening brings...
ZeroHour Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Capacity to run Win32 apps via "Project Centennial" bridge apps via the Store. - Does this not open up "Windows 10 Cloud" to the same potential security issues and viruses as regular Windows? (Ransomware? Need to have Anti-Virus on the device?) Not so much really, you can wrap up your own apps via that so its not a case of allowing anyone to install anything. Also I would expect Cloud to support AppV apps as well (since centennial leverages parts of that) so you could roll out apps via sccm to it potentially.
Arthur Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Developers just aren't developing UWP apps. Yeah, although they don't really have any excuse for not uploading their Win32 apps to the Windows Store (other than laziness?). Capacity to run Win32 apps via "Project Centennial" bridge apps via the Store. Does this not open up "Windows 10 Cloud" to the same potential security issues and viruses as regular Windows? (Ransomware? Need to have Anti-Virus on the device?) Nope. Unless of course the malware/ransomware is also available from the Windows Store. From the Creators Update onwards the non-cloud editions of Windows 10 can also be restricted in a similar way... https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2017/02/windows-10-creators-update-can-block-win32-apps-if-theyre-not-from-the-store/
DJ-1701 Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 *Bump* Live Stream Link: Learn what?s next | #MicrosoftEDU
ZeroHour Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Info about Windows S on Ars: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/microsoft-takes-on-chrome-os-with-new-windows-10-s/
simpsonj Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 After attending a Google event last week and being very impressed with ChromeOS and Chromebooks (and the ability to convert any laptop/desktop to Chrome via Neverwear) I'm very interested in seeing Microsoft's answer to the Chromebook and ChromeOS. Fingers crossed it's something that is easy to manage, can run on old hardware and value for money!
simpsonj Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Thanks for the link @ZeroHour I'd forgotten about InTune, anyone use it currently?
ZeroHour Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Thanks for the link @ZeroHour I'd forgotten about InTune, anyone use it currently? We have it (EduGeek) but it's full intune not education and it has not been merged into the new Azure management site. I am trying to get access to the edu one to grab info and test it.
mjk Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Microsoft's new push into education is the right move — at the right time Where 'the right time' means six years too late after Google have taken 60% of the education marketshare. I can't see us going back to microsoft soon. 1
abaxter2 Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Oooh! Surface Laptop!! Looks great and I can see how the Surface range would be great in education, but the price is still I feel out of reach for most school :-( Also good to hear Intune for Education is now released, but not sure when in the UK and when we will be able to get our hands on a free trial.
simpsonj Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Wouldn't it be amazing to be able to give every student in Year 7 a Surface laptop? Something that will last them until their GCSEs, and give them so much potential to learn. It's frustrating looking at the hardware that we have to work with in schools and compare it to the Microsoft dream. I find myself thinking that I could cobble something together, and test out Windows 10 S on our 4 year old laptops to try and give them a new lease of life, because that's what we do in schools, we make do. But a big part of me doesn't want to make do, and feels that in education, we shouldn't be making do, that we should be excelling, and providing our staff and students the best equipment, so that the technology doesn't impede students getting the best education that we possible give. Anyway, my take from this has been: Try Windows 10 S on our older devices. Does it provide a better/faster experience for the subject areas that only need a web browser and Office? Test InTune for Education. Is it easy to manage? Could a primary school use it to manage devices, or would it need a dedicated Technician or outside support company? Keep an eye out for the new Windows 10 S devices. Do they really compete with Chromebooks? Test out the new Minecraft for Edu and see if that's worth a shot with ICT/Computing classes. And if budgets (home or school!) ever allow, test out the new Surface Laptop.
Dos_Box Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Wouldn't it be amazing to be able to give every student in Year 7 a Surface laptop? Something that will last them until their GCSEs, and give them so much potential to learn. It's frustrating looking at the hardware that we have to work with in schools and compare it to the Microsoft dream. I find myself thinking that I could cobble something together, and test out Windows 10 S on our 4 year old laptops to try and give them a new lease of life, because that's what we do in schools, we make do. But a big part of me doesn't want to make do, and feels that in education, we shouldn't be making do, that we should be excelling, and providing our staff and students the best equipment, so that the technology doesn't impede students getting the best education that we possible give. Anyway, my take from this has been: Try Windows 10 S on our older devices. Does it provide a better/faster experience for the subject areas that only need a web browser and Office? Test InTune for Education. Is it easy to manage? Could a primary school use it to manage devices, or would it need a dedicated Technician or outside support company? Keep an eye out for the new Windows 10 S devices. Do they really compete with Chromebooks? Test out the new Minecraft for Edu and see if that's worth a shot with ICT/Computing classes. And if budgets (home or school!) ever allow, test out the new Surface Laptop. As mentioned in the webcast, Microsoft partners are releaseing a series of lower priced devices for classroom use. We have just finished reviewing the first of these we have received and you should see this live on the site very, very soon, It would be great if we could afford to give everyone a well specced laptop that will last them 5 years, and TBH, with modern chipsets that is not an unreasonable expectation for non-intensive aplications, but for a device at this level it does cost unfortunately. 1
Norphy Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Looks great and I can see how the Surface range would be great in education, but the price is still I feel out of reach for most school :-( Also good to hear Intune for Education is now released, but not sure when in the UK and when we will be able to get our hands on a free trial. 4GB RAM. 128GB SSD. $1000. Gimped version of Windows. That's great? I think I'd rather spend an extra few quid and get a Dell XPS13.
abaxter2 Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 4GB RAM. 128GB SSD. $1000. Gimped version of Windows. That's great? I think I'd rather spend an extra few quid and get a Dell XPS13. The surface laptop does not have to run Windows S, I do think the concept of the surface range is great, and I would have them in my school, but the price is just too much for education! It will be interesting to see what hardware the partners bring out over the next couple of months.
MrKJLS Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Windows 10 S vs normal Windows 10 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4020089/windows-10-s-faq
ellsandell Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 The Surface laptop looks really nice - pricing as expected, (premium) and there is a free upgrade to Windows 10 Pro (Until Jan). https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/surface/devices/surface-laptop/overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74kPEJWpCD4
Arthur Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) Oooh! Surface Laptop!! 4GB RAM. 128GB SSD. $1000. Gimped version of Windows. That's great? I think I'd rather spend an extra few quid and get a Dell XPS13. For a device that costs £950+ it's crazy that Microsoft didn't include a single USB-C port. In terms of ports it looks more like a device from 2014/2015 than 2017. What were they thinking? Thunderbolt 3 would have been nice to have too. Windows 10 S vs normal Windows 10 MS should have called it Windows 10 with Bing. Edited May 2, 2017 by Arthur
Arthur Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 there is a free upgrade to Windows 10 Pro (Until Jan). Schools get the upgrade for free too (without any time limit I think). https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2017/05/windows-10-s-details/ Just as Chrome OS systems can be managed by Google's cloud-based device management, Windows 10 S machines will support Intune, Microsoft's cloud-based device management system. If the Store constraint proves too onerous, Windows 10 S can be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro. Educational establishments will be able to do this for free; everyone else will have to spend $50 (UK pricing TBC, but probably £50). Microsoft will, we believe, also continue to offer Windows 10 Education for institutions with suitable volume license agreements; this version is equivalent to Windows 10 Enterprise but is only available to qualifying organizations. The upgrade pricing makes the positioning of Windows 10 S a little peculiar. Upgrading from Windows 10 Home—which can run any Win32 application, but which doesn't support Intune remote management—to Pro costs £100. While Microsoft is positioning Windows 10 S first and foremost as a product for the education sector, it says that it does not view the version as an exclusively low-end version of Windows and expects that it will also be available on systems with mainstream consumer availability. While Google is clearly the primary target of Windows 10 S, the same locked-down environment may well make it a good fit for anyone seeking a low maintenance Windows machine. https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/05/microsoft-surface-laptop-price-specs-release-date/ The Surface Laptop ships with Windows 10 S, the new cut-down Windows 10 SKU Microsoft also announced today. Out of the box, the operating system can only run apps from the Windows Store, though it's possible to upgrade it to a full Windows 10 Pro install for free until 31 December 2017. Afterward, the Pro upgrade will cost $50 (UK pricing TBC, but probably ~£50), the same as it normally will for Windows 10 S users.
ellsandell Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Can't quite find a confirmation, but am I right to assume Windows 10 S devices include Intune Managment licenses for MDM? Also Free Minecraft for new Windows 10 Devices. https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2017/05/windows-10-s-details/ All new Windows 10 education PCs will get a free one-year subscription to Minecraft: Education Edition,
MrKJLS Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 For a device that costs £950+ it's crazy that Microsoft didn't include a single USB-C port. In terms of ports it looks more like a device from 2014/2015 than 2017. What were they thinking? Thunderbolt 3 would have been nice to have too. MS should have called it Windows 10 with Bing. They should of lol. I'm a bit disappointed that it doesn't support on-site active directory. Otherwise, it would have been perfect for laptops.
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