Microsoft EDU event - Tuesday 2nd May 2:30pm

[mjk]

its a quick booting os just for surfing the net like a chromebook

 

- because the full windows will be too slow to run properly on this hardware ?

That would make more sense as to why the upgrade if free.

[Arthur]

Where 'the right time' means six years too late after Google have taken 60% of the education marketshare.

It's probably worth pointing out that the 60% 58% figure you have quoted only applies to the North American K-12 sector of the education market and only to non-BYOD mobile devices (not desktops).

 

Outside of the US, Microsoft's Windows market share increased and Chromebooks accounted for just 6% of education sales in 2016.

 

You are right that it is far too late for Microsoft to make any meaningful impact in the US with Windows 10 S devices (and Apple with iPads), but the situation is quite different for the rest of the world. Either way, the more competition there is the better!

 

www.futuresource-consulting.com/Press-K-12-Education-Market-Qtr4-0317.html

 

At an operating system level, Chromebooks continue to gain market share, reaching 58% in 2016, up from 50% in 2015. The strong combination of affordable devices, productivity tools via G-Suite, easy integration with third party platforms/tools, task management/distribution via Google Classroom and easy device management remains extremely popular with US teachers and IT buyers alike. The rise of Chromebooks has also set new industry benchmarks with regards to average device pricing, with prices reaching as low as $120 on certain projects.

 

International Market Developments

Outside of the US market, market conditions are proving to be very mixed. The rest of world (World excluding US) market reached 13.6 million units in 2016, a 26% year-on-year decline. The majority of this decline can be attributed to large scale national projects that did not take place in 2016. Latin America has traditionally seen large scale national deployments of mobile PCs but economic issues caused by low oil revenues and fluctuating exchange rates have heavily impacted budgets in 2016. There are a number of 'hot spots' around the globe, including China, Scandinavian and Benelux, which are all showing strong growth. The outlook for 2017 is much more positive however with volumes forecast to reach 15.8 million globally.

 

At an OS level, Microsoft remains a dominant market leader with a strong position in both developed and emerging markets. Microsoft has been gaining share against Android, especially in large scale emerging market deals. Whilst 90% of Chromebook global sales remain in the US, Chromebook international sales are steadily increasing in certain territories. In Northern Europe particularly, Chromebooks have been consistently gaining share and 2016 saw Chromebooks gain the #1 spot in Sweden (the first country outside of the US).

 

Data included as part of report – K-12 market only, institutional sales not including 'Bring your Own'. Mobile devices only, (Notebook/Mac, Netbook, Tablet, Chromebook) not including Desktops.

 

Please note, the term 'device shipments' refers to sales of devices at a certain point in time. It is not and should not be used as an installed based data point. (For example this statement is incorrect - Chromebooks account for 58% of devices in US classroom).

 

 

https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/02/apple-ios-market-share-k-12-education-chrome-os

 

The gap between Chrome OS and Apple’s operating systems is less so for the rest of the world, with Chrome OS doubling its share to 6% in 2016 as iOS grew one percentage point to 9% and macOS dropped one to 1%. Windows grew its share in the rest of the world to 65% from 56% of the market in 2015 to continue its lead. And Android declined from 26% in 2015 to 17% last year.

Edited May 4, 2017 by Arthur

[CHiLL]

I just don't understand why Microsoft are so consistently bad at not understanding the education sector.

 

It seems as though they've taken the Apple approach to specs and pricing...premium build quality...higher prices and lesser/older technology under the hood.

 

Also, with prices starting at around the £1000 for a Surface laptop...are they really expecting a school to purchase a class set of these? Especially when they are only going to get damaged either maliciously or accidentally in a classroom. I know I couldn't get this past our bursar and we'd be going for the lesser OEM style devices with lesser specs, but importantly a lower price.

[Arthur]

with prices starting at around the £1000 for a Surface laptop...are they really expecting a school to purchase a class set of these?

No, for the same reason you wouldn't buy a class set of Chromebook Pixels (if Google still sold those).

 

I think one of the target markets for the Surface laptop is college-age kids who might be considering one of Apple's MacBooks/MacBook Pros.

Edited May 4, 2017 by Arthur

[Zoom7000]

The trouble I see here is that Microsoft aren't really giving a solution. It feels like "Here is Windows 10 S. (It might seem like Windows RT, but it ain't!) It's a simple version of Windows 10 for education, which is fast and secure, kinda like ChromeOS, so you can only download apps from the Windows Store, kinda like ChromeOS. But, we know that the Windows Store is crap, therefore, if you can't find the app you want, just upgrade to Windows 10 Pro and you're back where you started anyway! Oh, and Windows 10 S won't work with your existing on-prem architecture and needs Azure AD, which you have to pay for BTW!"

 

So what exactly have they done in terms of a solution for education? Are they oblivious to the austerity coming to education in the UK?

 

I'm sorry, but it feels like Google have a far better offering for education for a lot less in terms of financial risk. Microsoft seem to want to keep schools financially clamped down to their subscription services - OVS, Azure AD, Intune. The cost factor is gonna win out here hands down.

Edited May 4, 2017 by Zoom7000

[mullet_man]

The thing that really annoys me is their is an Windows 10 Education version already, basically it's just a name?

 

I'd like them to make this version better for education like cut out all the crap and deliver fast logins etc.

 

I just don't get Microsoft sometimes

[ellsandell]

Is fast logins and cutting the crap out not their aim? Let's face it domain join a PC withe the associated GPOs and you loose alot of the speed that makes W10 good (for home).

 

How are Microsofts online services that requires this to work properly any different to Google's? Assuming you use O365 you get access to the Azure AD, and then pay for the intune.

 

Arguably cutting out on prem infrastructure is what made Google such a success ( in the states mainly).

 

Microsoft need to flesh out their proposal and show how schools have used it, with some real deployment examples and the costs.

 

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[flyinghaggis]

Given this new requirement, if you want to use Windows 10 S,. what are the rough ballpark educational costs for running a basic Azure domain​ per year assuming you're using office 365 or Google apps alongside it and only really require it for basic domain functionally? Edited May 5, 2017 by flyinghaggis

[mullet_man]

Microsoft's big aim is for everyone go down the Azure route, so bringing out a Windows 10 version designed for schools that is only compatable with it is very sneaky but not unsurprisng move by Microsoft.

 

It just annoys me as their is Windows 10 Education which doesn't give us any benefits like this new S version and it wouldn't surprise me if they retired it to try push everyone to use W10 S.

 

The trouble is how many education applications come via the App Store? How many old W32 apps do schools rely on which will never move to the store.

[flyinghaggis]

Microsoft's big aim is for everyone go down the Azure route, so bringing out a Windows 10 version designed for schools that is only compatable with it is very sneaky but not unsurprising move by Microsoft.

 

Yeah, it makes sense as the main strength of Google Apps is the fact it's pretty much all cloud based so it's not surprising Microsoft is heading down that route. It's pretty clear the days of on-site servers are numbered. I was kind of shocked by it not supporting on-premises domains but I've got a feeling we're all going to end up being nudged towards Azure in the coming years which is why I was wondering what the rough costs would be?

[sted]

Microsoft's big aim is for everyone go down the Azure route, so bringing out a Windows 10 version designed for schools that is only compatable with it is very sneaky but not unsurprisng move by Microsoft.

 

It just annoys me as their is Windows 10 Education which doesn't give us any benefits like this new S version and it wouldn't surprise me if they retired it to try push everyone to use W10 S.

 

The trouble is how many education applications come via the App Store? How many old W32 apps do schools rely on which will never move to the store.

they dont see domains as being the future imo just something they have to pay lip service to for now till they get everyone on azure/office 365. My thinking is that windows just isnt designed any more to be a true multiuser os (just look at first logon times in windows 10 compared to windows 7 on the same box) its designed to be its my device (maybe my significant other/kids have accounts but only local/ms cloud ones) its designed as a byod/cloud os so intune/office 365 can apply password policies and you can publish stuff to your own store but thats all the control admin need right?