Login Speeds

[dastrix]

Hi All,

 

I am looking at trying to speed up logins. we have Windows 7 x64 on all the machines and wondering what sort of login times you have.

 

Staff Laptops dont have a profile they just create a local one on first login this must take about 60 seconds for out laptops over wifi.

 

Students do have a profile.

 

Cheers in advance.

[fairm010]

Enable Verbose logins. That will tell you at which point they are taking longest to narrow it down a bit.

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/316243

[zag]

Just turn off profiles and you should speed up logins no end.

 

The days that students need to carry round their settings are long gone. Just set them as default in their group policy.

 

It takes a little longer to log on for the first time, but our student logins for the 2nd time on a machine take about 12 seconds now.

[clockend25]

We have roaming profiles on our curriculum machines and depending on the spec it takes between 10 and 30 seconds to log in. Slightly longer if no profile already exists.

[Gdog]

We use Mandatory profiles and really strip it down each time a student logs in it only has to load 3mb.

[dastrix]

I should have said its a mandatory profile for the students not roaming profiles.

[zag]

I should have said its a mandatory profile for the students not roaming profiles.

 

You don't even need that, just remove them and setup everything in group policy.

[dastrix]

Yeah but when the local machine creates it, that slows down the login dramatically.

[zag]

Yeah but when the local machine creates it, that slows down the login dramatically.

 

It should only ever do this once though, every other login will be fast (especially if you have client SSD drives).

 

The only downside to this is you have lots of local profiles created on the c: drive.

[dastrix]

We sort that out with delprof2

[andyturpie]

I run delprof2 daily on SSDs with roaming profiles - pupils are at desktop in around 7 seconds even when a new local profile is created (workstations) add around 10 seconds extra for wireless laptops.

[dastrix]

Ours take a lot longer than that more like 40 seconds on non SSD does that sound right?

[andyturpie]

Ours take a lot longer than that more like 40 seconds on non SSD does that sound right?

 

Wouldn't give me cause for concern if we are talking conventional HDDs...

[jcs808]

We use Mandatory profiles and really strip it down each time a student logs in it only has to load 3mb.

 

How do you strip down the profile? We have lots of software that doesn't come with msi installers so we use a named account for installing and then copy this to the default profile. The profile gets bloated with the number applications we have.

[DCUK6]

I run delprof2 daily on SSDs with roaming profiles - pupils are at desktop in around 7 seconds even when a new local profile is created (workstations) add around 10 seconds extra for wireless laptops.

 

Wouldnt recommend doing this daily. The problem you have is the SSD life, each time they are logging in it having to re write data back to the SSD which has a limited write cycle.

Same reason why you shouldnt run Defrag on them (should need to on SSD anyway)

 

40 seconds to log in 10 laptops when i presses enter at the same time.

Have profiles stored on the server for pupils and no profile location set for staff.

 

Staff can get in within a few seconds.

[dastrix]

Our laptops take more than 40 seconds the first time

[zag]

Wouldnt recommend doing this daily. The problem you have is the SSD life, each time they are logging in it having to re write data back to the SSD which has a limited write cycle.

Same reason why you shouldnt run Defrag on them (should need to on SSD anyway)

 

This myth is still being quoted by people and I have no idea why.

 

You would have to delprof the disk every day for about 200 years before you ever have a problem

[andyturpie]

Wouldnt recommend doing this daily. The problem you have is the SSD life, each time they are logging in it having to re write data back to the SSD which has a limited write cycle.

Same reason why you shouldnt run Defrag on them (should need to on SSD anyway)

 

40 seconds to log in 10 laptops when i presses enter at the same time.

Have profiles stored on the server for pupils and no profile location set for staff.

 

Staff can get in within a few seconds.

 

I did take that into consideration - we only use 120gb HDDs which means in a school of 1400+ pupils the local profiles didn't take long to fill up a large percentage of the SSD (especially with Adobe and Chrome being the biggest bloaters). All our kit in on a 3 year perpetual refresh with warranty right up until day they are picked up, so we are quite happy to cain them lol.

[dhoward_westexetc]

For us it is a compromise between having a heavily customised profile while still keeping login times as short as possible. But we still have logon times at ~63 seconds for rotating disk and, when I tested one SSD fitted system, ~39 seconds. I am hoping to be able to fit more systems with SSDs.

 

Along with the profile copy, the next stage that is slowest for us is the Folder Redirection Policy, which takes a few seconds to apply. We redirect most things - Documents, Desktop, Start Menu and so on. Not sure what impacts that so much, suspect maybe our switchgear (which is long overdue for replacement anyway) is having the main effect.