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MatthewL

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Who are you going to vote for?  

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  1. 1. Who are you going to vote for?

    • Conservatives
      71
    • Labour
      89
    • Lib Dems
      19
    • UKIP
      40
    • BNP
      0
    • Greens
      41
    • SNP
      2
    • Plaid Cymru
      1
    • DUP
      0
    • Sinn Fein
      0
    • SDLP
      0
    • Other
      6
    • Will not vote
      26
    • Spoiled ballot paper
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tmcd35

tmcd35

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I am just heaving a sigh of relief that Gove isn't back at the DfE. Nicky Morgan is back at Education

 

While it was only a prediction, the Beeb suggested on Friday that Gove might have ended up back in Education - "to finish the job he started now they don't have to appease the Lib Dems". Only a rumour, but still I had to go and have a little cry at the thought.

 

Well least we now know the Tory idea of Justice. Putting Gove there send a message loud and clear to the Plebs and Servs. You can't afford it!

Andrew_C

Andrew_C

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Gove - "Hello, is that Acme Arms Industries? About that order my mate Boris wanted to place for the water cannon. Yes, that's right, just send me the bill at my Whitehall address."
rich_tech

rich_tech

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I really hope that Proportional Representation comes in eventually, its not like this party are going to vote for it though sadly with a majority, this election highlighted how the FPTP system is a complete failure for a supposingly modern democracy.

 

Its ridiculous that 30% of the cast votes got them a majority to govern with the way the system is geared at present, I just hope we can act upon the flaws of the system and get change to happen now.

teejay

teejay

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I really hope that Proportional Representation comes in eventually, its not like this party are going to vote for it though sadly with a majority, this election highlighted how the FPTP system is a complete failure for a supposingly modern democracy.

 

Its ridiculous that 30% of the cast votes got them a majority to govern with the way the system is geared at present, I just hope we can act upon the flaws of the system and get change to happen now.

 

From the calculations posted earlier for PR, we'd have ended up with a Conservative + UKIP coalition, you really think PR is better ???

localzuk

localzuk

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From the calculations posted earlier for PR, we'd have ended up with a Conservative + UKIP coalition, you really think PR is better ???

 

Only if you think people would continue voting in exactly the same way with a different electoral system. I know I would've voted differently.

teejay

teejay

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Whichever way you look at it though, the left wing parties would still have lost even if some people changed their votes to different parties. You'd probably have seen a bigger vote for UKIP and the Green Party, but you wouldn't have seen much voter switch from Right to Left parties.
DrCheese

DrCheese

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From the calculations posted earlier for PR, we'd have ended up with a Conservative + UKIP coalition, you really think PR is better ???

 

Yes - Because that would have meant more views are taken into account by the majority govenment formed. That I disagree again with UKIP is irrelevant, 13% of the population doesn't & they don't get their views taken into account

localzuk

localzuk

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Whichever way you look at it though, the left wing parties would still have lost even if some people changed their votes to different parties. You'd probably have seen a bigger vote for UKIP and the Green Party, but you wouldn't have seen much voter switch from Right to Left parties.

 

You're making a large assumption - that the Tories would still have been the largest party. Labour might well have been.

rich_tech

rich_tech

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From the calculations posted earlier for PR, we'd have ended up with a Conservative + UKIP coalition, you really think PR is better ???

 

I think looking at the sites I have been looking at about comparative results, it would have been a lesser majority and I don't think you could count 100% on UKIP blindly following Conservatives, people do weird things when power is concerned, LibDems were proof of that I thought last parliament. This election we saw a lot of pandering and scaremongering which was horrible in relation to the SNP/UKIP which has also skewed results I think, the main parties were involved in it a fair bit to only the Tories benefit.

 

SNP have taken Scotland, for what gain, Sturgeon has said they will not vote for independence unless there are material changes. They will not pass any laws or be able to oppose laws which the whipping system will push through as parliament now is locked out for opposition parties unless theres a backbench revolt. UKIP are only gaining a foothold now because of the fact that parties will not talk about some of the issues that they are embracing, you can't sweep stuff under the carpet in this day and age, the expenses scandal highlighted that well I think.

 

Regardless of their politics though, I don't think its right that UKIP have a single seat for the amount of the country wide vote that they polled, same as the Greens and other parties, I feel that our political landscape is now not a reflection of its peoples will, but a tale of fiefdom's and blind allegiances to an outdated party system, certain areas will just not entertain voting for alternatives.

 

I would have favoured a situation where at least you get the majority of parties all having to work hard to get stuff through, rather than being able to blindly push any manner of punishing laws through parliament, I understand also that majorities in parliament can be both harmful and helpful, I am not convinced with Tories that it would be helpful to the poorest and weakest in our societies, they have a worse five years ahead with food banks, homelessness and more misery to look forward to.

 

Its a weird system where your vote counted for nothing because you live in an area not allied to a party or hardwired and died in the wool to an opposing party.

 

I think that Labour became a lost cause for winning at the point when Ed Miliband became it's leader, he showed a lack of character stabbing his brother in the chest publicly and sucking up to the unions to get the leadership as he lost the party vote, though it did highlight that problem with the Unions and Labour for all to see.

 

I said to my wife when he came into power, he won't win an election for Labour and lo and behold everyone I spoke to in the run up to this was of the same opinion, Labour wouldn't win it with him in charge, he's not supportable as a person to take charge of the country or of the calibre to be a PM and he was proven that under our old system, that was worse with Ed Balls around him I felt and I was glad that he lost his seat, he had absolutely no humility despite the problems caused by Labour when he was involved before.

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sparkeh

sparkeh

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From the calculations posted earlier for PR, we'd have ended up with a Conservative + UKIP coalition, you really think PR is better ???

 

Yes. Viewing the result with our own bias is irrelevant.

 

Although I wouldn't like to see UKIP in power (or the tories for that matter) having a system which actually accurately reflects the will of the people is the important thing. If the public actually voted to put UKIP in power then so be it. However I seriously doubt that people's voting habits would have been repeated under a PR system.

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teejay

teejay

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I would quite like PR within an elected upper chamber to replace the House of Lords, but I still think the current system works best for electing members of parliament in the House of Commons. Quite simply because I feel it's important to have one MP who is elected to represent your constituency and at a size of constituency where this is feasible. This just isn't possible with PR.

If you want to know why, just try getting a response to an issue from one of your regional members of the European Parliament.

tmcd35

tmcd35

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I would quite like PR within an elected upper chamber to replace the House of Lords, but I still think the current system works best for electing members of parliament in the House of Commons. Quite simply because I feel it's important to have one MP who is elected to represent your constituency and at a size of constituency where this is feasible. This just isn't possible with PR.

 

My personal opinion, which I'm sure I voiced when we debated AV during the referendum back in 2011, is to have equal size constituencies with AV voting. That way I think you strike the right balance between PR and constituency representation. Each MP represents the same number of people and must get more than 50% of the local popular vote.

 

Personally I'm not so fussed about an elected upper chamber. I'm happy for them to be appointed but feel they should represent society in a different way. Say x number of seats for ex-Police chiefs, x number for ex-army generals, x number for each religious groups, x number for ex-lawyers, x number for ex-nhs chiefs, etc.

teejay

teejay

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What's the rules for school support staff joining political organisations?

 

Well, basically if you join Labour you're fine, any other party expect instant dismissal ;-)

tmcd35

tmcd35

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Nice to see there's been zero coverage of the Anti-Tory/Pro-PR protests in London...

 

And the Tories were claiming Labour would send us back to the 70's. Riots within 48hrs of taking power!

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