localzuk Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 All of this still makes me hate the FPTP system. SNP got 1.4m votes and get 54 seats. Greens get 1 million votes and get 1 seat... Or Lib Dem's get 2.1m votes and get 8 seats. Entirely undemocratic and unfair.
Gatt Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Horrible results so far. Think I may take up alcoholism. Things to look forward to: 1. EU referendum 2. Scotland pushing for another independence referendum 3. An attempt to get rid of the hunting ban 4. More cuts and attacks on the poor and disabled 5. More wealth going straight into the pockets of the rich 6. More privatisation of the NHS 7. More badger culling Yay. 1. Mixed views on this... Really don't know what's tfor the best 2. God I hope not - Though Sturgeon has already that this isn't top of her agenda. 3. That needs to stay! 4. Already said all I'm going to on this one 5. ?? 6. ?? What's been privatised - I thought Labour did more damage to it via PFI 7. As with 3 - Thats one thing I hope doens't happen.
GREED Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 All of this still makes me hate the FPTP system. SNP got 1.4m votes and get 54 seats. Greens get 1 million votes and get 1 seat... Or Lib Dem's get 2.1m votes and get 8 seats. Entirely undemocratic and unfair. When we have 650 odd MPs to elect how can it be fairer? I agree is sucks and there will be calls for change (UKIP got millions of votes!) But how?
tmcd35 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Well at least the Scottish referendum won't happen. They had their shot... what will it turn into otherwise: one a year? That is not democracy when you revote when you don't get the answer you want. Some may argue, given the results, she's been given a fresh mandate by the people of Scotland. Anyway, pundits on the Beeb have suggested she doesn't want a re-run in the next 5 years anyway. Devo-Max is the thing now. There's some talk about turning the UK into a Federated state (good idea in my books), but reports suggest that's a step too far for Cameron. Now, with the clear rise in UKIP (they got 2nd in a lot of places), anyone want to place bets on the 2017 EU referendum?
rich_tech Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 My constituency has swung towards a labour majority now, from 504 last time to several thousand this time on the turnout, which is little surprise here. Gower is a surprise and very marginal I see locally. I am glad on reflection that Lib Dems have taken a kicking and paid the price for propping up the tory government of last time (I say that as a previous lib dem voter). Sadly my thoughts came true, I could only see Cameron winning in the run up and the continued misery it means for this country having a tory government which pick on the weaker parts of society, lots know that tory pain having been born into thatcherism. Ed just was not PM material I felt, he lacked gravitas and I just don't think a lot of people accepted him, especially in light of how he grasped the leadership of the party, it immediately put a lot of people off him I think to openly stab family in the chest and suck up to trade unions to get leader instead of voting, added to the economy woes the labour party left the country in, it was a terribly hard sell.
localzuk Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I can see Ed Milliband out the door soon, replaced by Balls maybe?
Gatt Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I can see Ed Milliband out the door soon, replaced by Balls maybe? Oh Gods...
GREED Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I can see Ed Milliband out the door soon, replaced by Balls maybe? Never good to be followed in by balls...
sparkeh Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Horrible results so far. Think I may take up alcoholism. Pass the whiskey. I actually fear for what the country will look like in 5 years time. Good luck everyone 2
Novalee Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Everyone seems horrified that it looks like Conservative will get a majority. Everyone I've seen, everything I've read online. So who on earth did all that voting for them? Or perhaps it's just the company I keep only shows a particular view.
elsiegee40 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I can see Ed Milliband out the door soon, replaced by Balls maybe? Nope. He has just lost his seat
Gatt Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Nope. He has just lost his seat Is that after a recount? whcih is what I was just reading
Gatt Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Yeah its just been confirmed on the BBC - they were waiting for the recount Hurrah!
Gatt Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) No, because Jim Murphy is the leader of Scottish Labour and lost his seat Ed Balls loses to Conservatives by 422 votes - Ouch! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000826 Edited May 8, 2015 by Gatt
rich_tech Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) I do think FPTP isnt ideal here anymore, if you look at the weighting of votes against the parties actual representation as pointed out, its no true reflection of the wishes of the counties electorate, alternatives though I do not know about there. Proportional representation would be interesting against these results if based on the vote turnout I think. Edit: I just found out about Balls, hes a big scalp taken there from the labour party. Edited May 8, 2015 by rich_tech
Miscbrah Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Pass the whiskey. I actually fear for what the country will look like in 5 years time. Good luck everyone I know Jeez we've got TTIP to look forward to now. http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/21238483/images/1350929100875.jpg
Gatt Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I do think FPTP isnt ideal here anymore, if you look at the weighting of votes against the parties actual representation as pointed out, its no true reflection of the wishes of the counties electorate, alternatives though I do not know about there. Proportional representation would be interesting against these results if based on the vote turnout I think. If we were to adopt PR then then we would need to ensure that virtually everyone voted to ensure that the % is accurate... Low turnoouts, spoils and alike would have a major impact on the result and wouldn't be really that accurate
Garacesh Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 If we were to adopt PR then then we would need to ensure that virtually everyone voted to ensure that the % is accurate... Low turnoouts, spoils and alike would have a major impact on the result and wouldn't be really that accurate Even counting for that.. It would still bit a metric butt-tonne fairer.
6Foot2 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Sick of hearing about the Labour Party and the Conservative Party when everyone knows there ain't no party like an S Club party! Link: Is this the hottest election joke?! - Sickipedia.org
6Foot2 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 ...At least Mr Balls losing his seat is a good thing.. This means Labour has no Balls?
Gatt Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 At least Mr Balls loosing his seat is a good thing. If it was loose, then he should have tightened it so has wasn't at risk of losing it 1
rich_tech Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 If we were to adopt PR then then we would need to ensure that virtually everyone voted to ensure that the % is accurate... Low turnoouts, spoils and alike would have a major impact on the result and wouldn't be really that accurate I support fining people for not voting as well myself, should be same as Australia for us, fines levied for not doing so. 1
elsiegee40 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Looking at the results, the mistake a lot of people made was to vote UKIP as a protest against Conservative and Liberal. Voting Labour may have made the difference 1
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