Garacesh Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Yep, pretty accurate depiction of the Commaragh Partially why I went DE. Just so much lulzy chaos.
LiamHaith Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 You two should get a room, and use it to write these ramblings in a book. Then publish the book.
Ghostgame Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Good book(made up of 3 books) on the Black Library called Path of the Dark Eldar. Has all that good stuff in it. Written by Andy Chambers.
Duranis Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Can't give much advice on playing as I have never played a game in my life. Painting though I can help on As mentioned its not that hard to get something together that looks halfway decent and there are a few really good hobby forums out there with lots of advice and info on them. Airbrush is really not needed. It can speed things up a little when painting large models or lots of models and there are some things you can do which are difficult to do with a brush. On the other hand there is stuff you can do with a brush that you can't do with an airbrush. Thinning your paints and using a wet palette will help a lot. A wet palette is just a container with wet paper towels in and a bit of baking/greaseproof paper over the top. You put the paint on to here and it stops it from drying out as you are using it. Also I would recommend vallejo paints over GW paints (much smoother and nicer to paint with). A lot of the vallejo range is designed for airbrush use but works really nicely with a brush as well. GW's washes are some of the best IMO though and some of their technical paints are also quite nice. As mentioned with regards to colours, paint them however you like. As you can see from the photos below I don't like the "super clean" look that a lot of people tend to go for either. I have recently started painting up my Tau army which I have had for about 4 years and never took out the boxes. Firewarriors http://i.imgur.com/2jQpzy0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jIBFoF1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oisv4xK.jpg XV8 crisis Suit (weapons are magnetized to swap them around) http://i.imgur.com/kVCzkoe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/oQ7JKgB.jpg Edited July 17, 2015 by Duranis
LiamHaith Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 @Duranis Holy $Deity.... that is some amazing brushwork. I may buy a little model tonight and show you pictures of the weekends first attempt, I think if I buy a simple singular fig, if I screw it up it's only £4.50 wasted and I don't have to worry about a unit missing a little dude...
Duranis Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Thanks. Don't worry about screwing up the paint job. As long as you are using normal water based acrylic paint (i.e. GW, vallejo, etc) and it hasn't got a ton of varnish or anything on it then it is fairly easy to just strip off the paint and redo it. Best stuff I have found in the UK for taking paint off plastic models is brown Dettol. Just leave the models to soak in this for a little while and scrub them with a tooth brush. Edit: Wear gloves when you do this, neat Dettol with do bad things to your skin. I know from experience If you enjoy the painting side of things then I would recommend going on ebay and just picking up cheapo models. Then you can use these to test out painting methods, colour schemes, etc without having to mess with you main army. You can often pick up job lots of badly painted models for a couple of pound then just strip the paint. Edit: Also don't be disheartened if your first models look like crap. Painting in general is a learned skill and painting on small scale is something else again. the more you paint the more little tips and tricks you will develop and the better your models will look. I have only painted about 40 or 50 models in total (at most). I would like to think I can paint to a fairly reasonable level now but the first couple of models I did look like they where done by a 5 year old . Also the first 20 I did I wanted to immediately go back and repaint because I had learnt so much in the process that I knew I could do a better job on the next one. It is very easy when your painting to get stuck in a position where you have an idea in your head of what you want but you doubt your ability to actually pull it off. You then end up with a bunch of unfinished/unstarted stuff and you have done nothing to help your painting skill either. Best thing to do is just plow ahead and learn that nothing will ever be 100% perfect. I have fallen into this trap more than once where I start painting a model and it isn't quite coming out exactly how I wanted. I lose interest/get frustrated and rather then just going on and having a finished model that in reality is probably fairly decent, I have a half finished model that sits in a draw for the next 3 years Edited July 17, 2015 by Duranis
LiamHaith Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Do I need a little magnifying glass for painting? I have no idea how small the figures actually are. I imagine they're the size of RISK Soldiers...
CAM Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Look, best bet is to get some paint and glue and just assemble and paint it. See if it's for you. I think the paint sets may have a figure you can snap together, some brushes, something basic to try. You won't be Picasso at first, it's a learned skill and my first model utterly sucked, but it's down to practice and picking up tips to find new ways of doing things as you progress from just slapping base colours on a model to highlighting, inking, using fragments of biro pens for icicles, etc. If you fret about "Will this work, will that look good, will this be OK?" you will end up worrying yourself into giving up before you've started. Enjoy the journey, not just the end product.
LiamHaith Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 @CAM Good advice! I'll do just that. I'm nervous about hell about painting my first figure, but at the same time I'm really looking forward to it. Since whatever the end thing looks like, it's something that I'VE done myself.
Duranis Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Do I need a little magnifying glass for painting? I have no idea how small the figures actually are. I imagine they're the size of RISK Soldiers... Depends how bad your eyes are I would say no though, especially at the start you don't want to be worry about trying to paint details small enough to need one. I have a couple but never use them. If a detail is small enough you need a magnifying glass to see if from 1ft away then its not big enough to worry about as nobody will see it when its on a table among 40 other models. That is another important point as well. If you are painting to have an army to play the game don't get caught up in trying to paint 500 shades/highlights and details on every single model. Most models will be in groups and most of the time they are being viewed from a distance. If you are painting to a reasonable table top quality then just get your base colours down, shade with washes and then 1 highlight layer. It may not look amazing on each individual model but a whole army that is painted consistently (and is fully painted) looks pretty damn good when together on the table (and much better than an army that has 2 models that are extremely well painted and the rest that are just plastic/undercoated). Edited July 17, 2015 by Duranis
sonofsanta Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Seriously: stop stressing. Everyone has crap paint jobs in their collection, but you know what? It doesn't matter a jot even if all you've got is blocks of colour, once you're looking at a complete squad from 6 feet away it all looks the same. You're gaming with them, not displaying them in a cabinet. It's surprisingly easy to do a good job after a few models worth of practice, and once you've gotten really good at painting you decide you haven't got the patience and go for speed painting instead I once painted an entire 1500 point Eldar army in a week using white spray paint and yellow, blue and black washes. Absolutely passable, worked a treat for getting squads of twenty done in 3 hours, looked a damn sight better on the table than one exquisitely painted squad and 8 unpainted squads because you ran out of time. The only models I put any real effort and detail into were the character models and larger vehicles. As for size, they're 28mm scale, so probably the size of the first knuckle on your thumb (depending on the specific model, of course). They're much bigger than Risk models, so long as you haven't got the whiskey shakes you'll be fine with the detail painting.
Garacesh Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 As you can see from the photos below Or not, 'cause we block imgur here lol @LiamHaith, pick yourself up a bottle of brown dettol antiseptic and a cheap toothbrush. If you royally screw up a model to the point where you're thinking "I hate how this turned out", or even if you think a colour scheme seems cool and then you don't like it once you're done, soak it in dettol overnight and with warm soapy water scrub it with the toothbrush in the morning. The paint comes right off DO NOT do it with Finecast models, though. It warps the resin.
thepridster Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Warhammer 40k grey knights dreadknight | eBay my favorite model ive painted to date
LiamHaith Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Okay, thanks for all the words of advice. I'm going to shut up regarding it now and just jump straight in, possibly after work tonight if the bank permits
LiamHaith Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) I am now the proud owner of the Necron Battleforce... Oh my god. Also, I thought on the website that the PACKS of colours were £3.55 each... so I bought two. Turns out I have TWO colours... Black, and black. I BUILT ONE! I now have an unpainted Necron Deathmark! Edited July 18, 2015 by LiamHaith
Garacesh Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Ooh nice. I hear Necrons can be real fiddly to build because of their spindly little legs, so if you can get those done, you're set to build anything
LiamHaith Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Ooh nice. I hear Necrons can be real fiddly to build because of their spindly little legs, so if you can get those done, you're set to build anything Yeah he was TINY, his head was so small I genuinely thought it was a misprint. I kinda think I need to paint BEFORE building though. Since I don't know how I'm supposed to paint BEHIND the gun. Also, how many Deathmarks would make up one "troop" of them? I didn't buy a Codex so I'm missing a little information
localzuk Posted July 18, 2015 Author Posted July 18, 2015 Do you 40k'ers all thin your paints? If so, what do you thin with, and what ratio do you generally use?
LiamHaith Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Got invited to my first game earlier, it's a newbie game so I only need 1 set of troops (and a possible second).. the Deathmarks will reign victorious! I also bought some little skulls that I'm going to attach to the baseplate of each Deathmark for each sniper kill they get. > Probably gonna take my Scarabs and Deathmarks for the beginner game, since there's no way I'm getting 20 Warriors built up before 3pm Sunday. Then I have to figure out how I'm carrying them to the site.
LiamHaith Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 Won't let me edit my previous post... but I won. 3 games played. First game I scarab charged a special unit to death. Second game I scarab rushed a tank to death whilst my Deathmarks sniped off the hobbit snipers. Then hid from the tank. Third game didn't count since it was filled with 30k units.
Duranis Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 Do you 40k'ers all thin your paints? If so, what do you thin with, and what ratio do you generally use? Depends on the paint and what I'm doing (base colour layer not so thinned, blended layer very thin, etc). GW paints generally need a fair amount of thinning. I tend to use just water and mix my paints on a wet palette to help thin them and keep them usable for longer. Hard to say how much water/paint you need as it depends on the paint and how you are using it. Some of the new GW layer paints dont need much diluting at all while their foundations need a load (and often don't work well with being mixed with water that much). I have just picked up some acrylic medium I'm going to try though which should help with wet blending as watered down paint dries too quickly. Also go for vallejo paints. Cheaper, you get more in a bottle, there is a better choice of colours and they need less messing about with to be usable. The only downside is nobody seems to stock them in actual shops so you have to order online which can make picking the right colours/shades a little hit and miss (though there are conversation charts out there if you want to get GW like colours).
thepridster Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 Started these lot yesterday what you see is 12 hours work from sprue to what is in the photos
Leeoakley Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) Do you 40k'ers all thin your paints? If so, what do you thin with, and what ratio do you generally use? I go for a Milk consistency, usually water. Sometimes I add in a flow enhancer, but more and more these days I don't bother. "Also go for vallejo paints" I will echo this part. Vallejo P3 and Reaper masters are all lovely paints. Edited July 20, 2015 by Leeoakley
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