sparkeh Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Most of the BBC 3 shows are supposed staying on the new web delivered version. Do you have a source for that as I can't find any information from BBC beyond the original statement?
strawberry Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 I'd rather they turned the voice into an online only show. Warblers send videos to Will.I.Am . he publishes the ones he likes, people phone up to comment or text. Bosh. Done.
sted Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 How long before TV's can receive web tv anyway... in two years time we will probably be wondering what all the fuss was about. I can probably get it on my NowTV box they can now. My new tv gets motors tv as a webstreem through freeview (useless though as no tv guide and you cant record it). My BT Youview box does various channels via web that can be recorded so i can watch discovery\gold\comedy central\bt sport\espn and others without having to pay a murdoch tax It generally works ok but the youview box isnt the best bit of kit ever and every now and again i have to unplug and replug the network lead as it insists there is no internet connection
tmcd35 Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Sad times I enjoy BBC3, as was said 4 should go as should parliament and one of the kids channels that will save money. BBC4's the only channel on Freeview/Freesat at the moment that actually has programs worth watching on a semi-regular basis. For other channels, I can't remember the last time I seriously watched something that wasn't on BBC. Caught 8 out of 10 Cats Does Countdown on C4, and that's about it. Then again, apart from Top Gear on Sunday nights, I never watch live TV. Pretty much either BBC iPlayer or Neflix. I do have a Sky Now subscription but that seems largely unused as a missed the start of The Walking Dead season 4 on Fox and is now waiting for Game of Thrones to start again. Last show I enjoyed on BBC3 was Being Human. Stopped watching over a year ago when the principle cast was replaced.
Michael Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 How long before TV's can receive web tv anyway... in two years time we will probably be wondering what all the fuss was about. Most Smart TV's are network compatible out the box either via Ethernet or Wireless, so the technology is already there. The BBC are fighting a losing battle and they also will be forced to show adverts eventually. It isn't right you have to pay the license fee if you don't watch BBC and then pay for a Sky package on top for example. Plus how much are they paying 'a man in a van' to monitor what you're doing... and keeping a database of addresses who and who hasn't paid the license fee. It's a complete waste of time. The +1 shows make perfect sense for the likes of ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 - improving on the advertising revenue shown just an hour earlier. The BBC make absolutely nothing out of it - it's just another cost broadcasting the channel twice. With BBC3 going online, it'll just the green light to younger viewers that they don't need a license fee. Don't be surprised if the 10% of people no longer paying it will just rise. What will they do then? Continue sending out threatening letters and sending more 'men in a van' to check what you're doing!
LosOjos Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 We can't be far off all online, on-demand viewing being the norm anyway. IMO, the BBC's biggest mistake here is announcing this as the axing of the channel. They should have marketed it as the first all online mainstream TV channel in the UK. Eventually, I think this is how all TV will work; a show gets released on a certain date and is then available to view whenever you want. A lot of people watch TV they care about like this anyway now with the various DVRs out there...
Nibiru Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 We can't be far off all online, on-demand viewing being the norm anyway. In cities & towns maybe but there are still millions of us stuck with substandard ratty old phone lines and no prospect of an upgrade anytime soon. As the crow flies Im 1.5 miles from the town centre. The phone lines run 3 sides of a square and are over 3 miles.
Nibiru Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Do you have a source for that as I can't find any information from BBC beyond the original statement? Thats what I understood from yesterdays news but things have changed again BBC News - BBC One to gain half BBC Three budget Half of BBC Three's commissioning budget will be ploughed into BBC One drama programmes, in plans outlined by director general Tony Hall.
sparkeh Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Thats what I understood from yesterdays news but things have changed again BBC News - BBC One to gain half BBC Three budget Half of BBC Three's commissioning budget will be ploughed into BBC One drama programmes, in plans outlined by director general Tony Hall. Just read that. Yeah the savings argument is now...hard to understand?
localzuk Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 With BBC3 going online, it'll just the green light to younger viewers that they don't need a license fee. Don't be surprised if the 10% of people no longer paying it will just rise. What will they do then? Continue sending out threatening letters and sending more 'men in a van' to check what you're doing! The BBC have started work trying to alter the requirements for the TV license to make all BBC online tv services to require a license, live or not. A while ago, they talked about making it a login service tied to your license number.
mthomas08 Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 The BBC have started work trying to alter the requirements for the TV license to make all BBC online tv services to require a license, live or not. A while ago, they talked about making it a login service tied to your license number. I'm fine with that, as long as I get to watch it where I want when I want and not just "in my own home".
tmcd35 Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 The BBC have started work trying to alter the requirements for the TV license to make all BBC online tv services to require a license, live or not. A while ago, they talked about making it a login service tied to your license number. Looking at the success of House of Cards on Netflix, I think the BBC have missed a trick with their online offerings. Not sure BBC 3 really plugs the gap either. What they need is to expand iPlayer a bit. Make complete older series available. Make a new made-for-iPlayer series that can be binge-watched Netflix style. As much as I don't really like Channel 4 content, 4OD are seriously ahead of the Beeb with this.
sparkeh Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Looking at the success of House of Cards on Netflix, I think the BBC have missed a trick with their online offerings. Not sure BBC 3 really plugs the gap either. What they need is to expand iPlayer a bit. Make complete older series available. Make a new made-for-iPlayer series that can be binge-watched Netflix style. As much as I don't really like Channel 4 content, 4OD are seriously ahead of the Beeb with this. Yes! It really annoys me that things are only available for a week on iPlayer, 4OD has a wealth of content that we regularly flick through and choose something new (to us) to watch.
rich_tech Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 the paying a DD online system for TV licence irritates me in that they want you to keep paying over and beyond your licence in its first year, they dont seem to encourage splitting the amount over a year like a normal DD Monthly Direct Debit is our most popular option, giving you the control of smaller monthly instalments with the convenience of automatic payment and renewal. You’ll usually pay for your first year’s TV Licence within the first six months, at around £24 a month. You’ll then pay for your next licence in twelve monthly instalments of just over £12. Your first payment is due now. Please pay this by debit/credit card. If you are unable to do this we will adjust your Direct Debit payments. Each year now the wife and I pay it for 6 months to get the full licence then cancel it, because I dont wish to stockpile a licence in advance, I would rather pay it divided over an entire year and have it as a lower ongoing monthly from the offset without the nonsense
PICNIC Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 How on earth do they manage to spend £100m on 'The Voice'? Tooth whitener and fake tan for Tom
Michael Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 The BBC have started work trying to alter the requirements for the TV license to make all BBC online tv services to require a license, live or not. A while ago, they talked about making it a login service tied to your license number. They can try, but as I say, I think they're trying to win a losing battle. If you turn back the clock this is exactly what happened with radio. There are thousands of stations out there to choose from, yet you don't pay a penny. The argument(s) for a TV license are completely flawed... if the viewers think it's any good and the numbers are high, then the advertisers will pay more. The irony is that the BBC could create carp programmes and still be paid for it. Where's the justification in that? ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 for example do not have this luxury, so you have to be innovative and forward thinking. It's a real business.
unixman_again Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 With BBC3 going online, it'll just the green light to younger viewers that they don't need a license fee. Don't be surprised if the 10% of people no longer paying it will just rise. What will they do then? Continue sending out threatening letters and sending more 'men in a van' to check what you're doing! Even if there were more detector vans, it won't make any difference as Crapita handle that part of TV licencing, and we all know how efficient they can be.
tmcd35 Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 The argument(s) for a TV license are completely flawed... if the viewers think it's any good and the numbers are high, then the advertisers will pay more. The irony is that the BBC could create carp programmes and still be paid for it. Where's the justification in that? ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 for example do not have this luxury, so you have to be innovative and forward thinking. It's a real business. I'd argue if anything on ITV, Channel 4 or Channel 5 in the past 5 years could be called either innovative of forward thinking? The best TV of the past couple of years has been Danish imports shown on BBC4 - go figure.
featured_spectre Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) A few good shows not shown on terrestrial TV which have been great (IMO) and they are on advertised services (Sky or E4 etc). Arrow Big Bang Theory Bones Criminal Minds Game of Thrones Revenge Revolution The Vikings Aside from top gear or the news (rarely), I do not watch anything on BBC, and my other half only watches call the midwife. We dont watch CBBC or CBeeBies in our house as the daughter doesn't like whats on offer, prefering nick Jr or Cartoon Network (or even playing her games not watching the TV!!!) Edited March 6, 2014 by featured_spectre
Michael Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 I'd argue if anything on ITV, Channel 4 or Channel 5 in the past 5 years could be called either innovative of forward thinking? The best TV of the past couple of years has been Danish imports shown on BBC4 - go figure. But that's the whole point... just think how many viewers Channel 4 received for Benefits Street. It's a very controversial and sensitive issue for many. The programme did its job and I bet the advertising revenues rocketed. People complained, but people still talked about it and tuned in. If the BBC developed and broadcasted it, they'd make absolutely nothing. They could try selling or licenses it to other channels, but I think in the context - it's extremely limiting. In my opinion is was a very bold move for Channel 4 to develop and broadcast this programme. To me this is the perfect example of being innovative.
sparkeh Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 The argument(s) for a TV license are completely flawed... if the viewers think it's any good and the numbers are high, then the advertisers will pay more. The irony is that the BBC could create carp programmes and still be paid for it. Where's the justification in that? ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 for example do not have this luxury, so you have to be innovative and forward thinking. It's a real business. I don't think that its quite as simple as that. The BBC has a public service obligation put on it as part of the licence fee conditions and I think that this is a good thing. It means that programmes are made that would not be broadcast on other channels as they aren't commercially successful enough to warrant their place. Minority groups can be catered for without having to worry about ratings and suchlike. Personally I think that the BBC's output is far superior the endless, lowest common denominator rubbish you get on the other channels, due to having a licence fee. 1
SpuffMonkey Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Personally I think that the BBC's output is far superior the endless, lowest common denominator rubbish you get on the other channels, due to having a licence fee. Absolutely agree
Sdrawkcab Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 I don't think that its quite as simple as that. The BBC has a public service obligation put on it as part of the licence fee conditions and I think that this is a good thing. It means that programmes are made that would not be broadcast on other channels as they aren't commercially successful enough to warrant their place. Minority groups can be catered for without having to worry about ratings and suchlike. Personally I think that the BBC's output is far superior the endless, lowest common denominator rubbish you get on the other channels, due to having a licence fee. Damn right. The BBC produces stuff that is in the public interest, rather than stuff that will sell. This is vitally important in a world where everything is rapidly being turned into a commodity to be bought and sold. Plus, there are no adverts. I think having an advertising-free channel is incredibly important, especially when it comes to stuff like childrens TV. 1
tmcd35 Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 Damn right. The BBC produces stuff that is in the public interest, rather than stuff that will sell. This is vitally important in a world where everything is rapidly being turned into a commodity to be bought and sold. I think that's slightly debatable. Looking at shows like Top Gear, Doctor Who, Merlin, Musketeers, Robin Hood, etc. I'd say the Beeb always have half an eye on what they can sell into worldwide syndication and DVD releases. As evidenced by lack of historic content in iPlayer - they'd sooner make us pay twice with a DVD boxset than put it up for free.
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