Microsoft EES

[Millgate]

Hi,

 

I've seen a few questions floating around regarding the EES agreements and they can be confusing.

 

I know a lot of you will be looking at switching to this as 99% of the time, it saves you a lot of cash. If you have any questions about anything to do with the EES agreements then just post on here, PM, email or call me and i'll try and help you out. Email's best TBH.

 

I've dealt with a lot of these and anything i don't know off the top of my head, i'll find out from MS for you.

 

Just thought i'd offer my services!

 

Cheers

 

Luke

[Tricky_Dicky]

Just a couple of questions then

1) I heard some where on here that having an EES licence gives you access to MSDN is that true?

2)How does the licensing work for teachers home computers? Can they buy a licence and we just burn the media to disc?

 

Thanks

Rich

[RTFM]

We got our EES through Luke and made him do all our running around to get bits and pieces pulled together (we had a few different agreements, etc etc and wanted them all in one place not scattered around).

 

I do think Microsoft have pulled a blinder with EES when compared to how it was.

[Jamo]

We got our EES through Luke and made him do all our running around to get bits and pieces pulled together (we had a few different agreements, etc etc and wanted them all in one place not scattered around).

 

I do think Microsoft have pulled a blinder with EES when compared to how it was.

 

We were a little concerned that MS would be upping the price once schools are on board. This would be a dangerous position to be in as the buyout is totally unaffordable :/

 

What other options are available to schools so that we would be able to use the volume deployment tools in W7? It is so hard to find this info out!!

 

We to be honest will probably go for the EES evenually but we would like to know the alternatives so that we can make an informed purchase.

[BatchFile]

We were a little concerned that MS would be upping the price once schools are on board. This would be a dangerous position to be in as the buyout is totally unaffordable :/

IIRC there was a clause in the (old) School Agreement that limited price increases year-on-year; maybe someone could check if that's in EES too?

[sted]

i THINK if you commit to 3 years the price stays fixed for those 3 years

[Millgate]

Hi,

 

An EES license doesn't give you access to MSDN unless you purchase a product with MSDN on it under the EES such as Visual Studio Premium.

 

In regards to the teachers home computers question, i'm afraid they can't. There is an option for students to have it (for an additional cost) but nothing for teachers. Not sure why.

 

@sted - You're right. If you take it out for 3 years, your price is fixed. HOWEVER, at the minute, prices keep coming down so it's your choice. A bit like capping your gas prices.

 

Buying EES is a lot cheaper than the old schools agreement and better for the bank balance than buying outright so i think it's a very good thing. Unlike Microsoft to be so helpful! Ha

 

Thanks

[Chris_]

Hi,

 

An EES license doesn't give you access to MSDN unless you purchase a product with MSDN on it under the EES such as Visual Studio Premium.

 

In regards to the teachers home computers question, i'm afraid they can't. There is an option for students to have it (for an additional cost) but nothing for teachers. Not sure why.

 

@sted - You're right. If you take it out for 3 years, your price is fixed. HOWEVER, at the minute, prices keep coming down so it's your choice. A bit like capping your gas prices.

 

Buying EES is a lot cheaper than the old schools agreement and better for the bank balance than buying outright so i think it's a very good thing. Unlike Microsoft to be so helpful! Ha

 

Thanks

 

For teachers there is the Work at Home rights and Home Use Programme, Work at Home rights lets the teachers install Office on their home computer but you need to provide them with the install media and your volume license key, and you're responsible for them removing it at the end of their employment. The HUP lets teachers buy a copy of Office for ~£9 and the agreement is between the staff and Microsoft so you don't need to worry about giving them support for it or how they use it..

[garethEds]

For teachers there is the Work at Home rights and Home Use Programme, Work at Home rights lets the teachers install Office on their home computer but you need to provide them with the install media and your volume license key, and you're responsible for them removing it at the end of their employment. The HUP lets teachers buy a copy of Office for ~£9 and the agreement is between the staff and Microsoft so you don't need to worry about giving them support for it or how they use it..

Phew - thanks for comfirming that. I was worried for a minute. I'd hate to have to force all the staff to uninstall because 'at hme' rights had been taken away.Gareth

[Guest Guest]

Hi,

 

An EES license doesn't give you access to MSDN unless you purchase a product with MSDN on it under the EES such as Visual Studio Premium.

 

It does! In the welcome email from MS it includes a coupon code for 1 MSDN AA Account, either Developer (Everything) or Designer (Expression Studio)

[Millgate]

That's weird then. I know what you mean as some of my clients said the same but when I rang MS yesterday, they said not. I'll clear it up on Monday and get something in writing from them.

[Millgate]

Right, clarification time!

 

EES agreements do include a subscription to MSDN AA free of charge

 

Work at Home rights OR Home User program rights are included under EES, so for example if the school has licensed Office 2010 Pro Plus for their FTE count then the staff can use a copy of Office at home as well.

 

Just goes to show it depends who you ask at MS on what answers you get. I've confirmed this with one of our Account Managers at MS and have it in writing.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Cheers

[rocknrollstar]

What's the difference between work at home and home user? Do the teachers have to pay anything? Thanks

[simpsonj]

My only, if slightly odd, issue with the MSA and now EES is that when I log onto my eOpen account with Microsoft, they give me access to lots of software, an awful lot of it I'm 90% sure I'm not licenced to use. And yet its all there, with licence codes. As much as I like new software, and testing some of this stuff out, I would prefer to at least have it split between "this is what you're licenced for, and for how many users/machines, and this is trial software for you to try out for 30/60/120 days or whatever..."

[RTFM]

What's the difference between work at home and home user? Do the teachers have to pay anything? Thanks

 

At a guess, seen as EES is based on the number of full time staff who have to use a computer to do their job at work, i would guess work at home is users who are members of staff and have to work at home for their job, this means you would count them in your licensing cost so you could give them software etc

 

Home user would be, again at a guess, simply a person who you counted within the number for licenses who do some work at home, i.e. a teacher

 

That would be how i would assume they differentiate home user and work at home.......?

[NikChillin]

 

Work at Home rights OR Home User program rights are included under EES, so for example if the school has licensed Office 2010 Pro Plus for their FTE count then the staff can use a copy of Office at home as well.

 

 

Cheers

 

Yes but we can't give them the key, they would have to bring their pc into school for us to install it which then opens up a whole new can of worms.

 

I think it would be best to let them pay the £9 and do it themselves.

[featured_spectre]

@NikChillin under a legal standpoint the network manager/ IT Technician must be the one to do the install and keep the key secret, so staff cant give the key out further.

[Millgate]

Morning all,

 

Work at Home rights are managed by the School (cost for media), whereas Home User Program is ordered directly by the staff member once set up by School admin (cost to FTE)

 

Cheers

[NikChillin]

@NikChillin under a legal standpoint the network manager/ IT Technician must be the one to do the install and keep the key secret, so staff cant give the key out further.

 

I am aware of that but the implications of having private equipment bought into the school and then hearing 'it was fine before I bought it into school' every time something goes wrong isn't what we are prepared to deal with. We don't want to get into home IT support too.

[simpsonj]

But even if we did install it ourselves, it's not exactly difficult to extract a licence key from an install of Office (or Windows for that matter). Either you trust your staff and give them the opportunity to install the software (either by bringing in their PC, or you giving them the media and product key) or you don't.

[featured_spectre]

With the issue of "it worked before I bought it in" get them to sign an indemnity and get them to watch you installing the program.

 

As for getting the key, fine you can get it, but if it is used more than you have installed it, you can ask the staff to bring it in for checking. Once school software is installed you do have a legal right to do so.

[simpsonj]

But if the product key been used more times than it should have been, then it's unlikely that the teacher has installed multiple copies onto their PC, more likely they have given it to friends, family, or in a worse case scenario, posted it on the internet. If the key has been used on multiple members of staffs computers, then it would be near impossible to track down the leak.

 

As a result of this potential headache, I tend not to advertise any work from home scheme unless the software is essential for that teacher to teach their lessons. I advertised the 'Office 2010 for £9' deal, and that went down very well, and would be my preferred method.

[NikChillin]

 

As a result of this potential headache, I tend not to advertise any work from home scheme unless the software is essential for that teacher to teach their lessons. I advertised the 'Office 2010 for £9' deal, and that went down very well, and would be my preferred method.

 

I agree, the other methods seem too problematic.

[Chris_]

As others have said, to save all the hassle, we have only told staff about the Home Use Programme as £9 is still a great price for Office and it doesn't involve us messing around distributing media and giving support.

[featured_spectre]

Granted it is easier but its just a headache with trust, and I couldnt trust most of the staff as far as I could throw them.