Intellectual Exercise - Going off-radar

[jamesb]

Just something which the cargo bomb thread made me think about, but somewhat off topic for that thread.

 

Let's say that, for whatever reason, you need to vanish completely off the radar. For some reason you have done something, or are under suspicion of doing something, that 'they' really want to find you for, and ask you unpleasant questions about.

 

So they have your mobile details, all of your card details, they know about your car, where you live, everything. At most you've got a few hours to prepare for big men in black suits coming to kick down your door and ask you about the aliens.

 

How do you react, and what do you have prepared in advance? How do you then stay off the radar long enough that the fuss dies down, or get away to somewhere else?

[GREED]

well if i have a few hours i hop on the hovercraft over to the Isle of Whight and hide out there, the'll never find me there!

 

PS are you saying you don't have a fake identity already set up???

[jamesb]

well if i have a few hours i hop on the hovercraft over to the Isle of Whight and hide out there, the'll never find me there!

 

Carrying enough cash to buy the ticket, so that you don't make a traceable withdrawal?

 

Also once you're there, how do you stay low?

 

PS are you saying you don't have a fake identity already set up???

 

Nope, don't see the need. I'm not actually paranoid or a conspiracy theorist, just enjoy thinking about such things.

[korifugi]

The first few purchases you should make (with cash of course) are a cane, red & white hooped jumper and a wooly hat.

 

Then stand in groups of people waving - that should mean people take a little longer to find you...

[GREED]

Carrying enough cash to buy the ticket, so that you don't make a traceable withdrawal?

 

Also once you're there, how do you stay low?

 

My Nan lives there, and she never answers the door nor phone...

 

 

 

Nope, don't see the need. I'm not actually paranoid or a conspiracy theorist, just enjoy thinking about such things.

 

Have you seen The Shawshank Redemption? During that the main character manages to create a whole fake person with birth certificate, bank details etc, all via mailing... Got me thinking just how much truth there is in being able to do that?

[aerospacemango]

Firstly....withdraw ALL your cash from your account...This MAY pop up, CSI-Stylee, on their computers, but do it somewhere away from where you need to prepare.

 

Pack your clothes, or what you want to take with you.........

 

Go straight to a major conurbation (London, Manchester, Brum, etc etc to get lost in the crowd....even with ALL the CCTV, they cannot pick you out immediately!)

 

Find a seedy pub, and get a fake passport....make your way to nearest airport.

 

Fly to Amsterdam, then to anywhere in the world..... Grow a beard! (May or may not work, if you're a woman....One of my ex's could knock out a corker!!!)

 

Change hairstyle....lay low!

 

There....All done!

 

Come back sometime later, as a different person, and apply for your old job!

[LosOjos]

Funnily enough, I read an interesting article about this just last night: How to Ditch Big Brother and Disappear Forever

[GREED]

Firstly....withdraw ALL your cash from your account...This MAY pop up, CSI-Stylee, on their computers, but do it somewhere away from where you need to prepare.

 

Pack your clothes, or what you want to take with you.........

 

Go straight to a major conurbation (London, Manchester, Brum, etc etc to get lost in the crowd....even with ALL the CCTV, they cannot pick you out immediately!)

 

Find a seedy pub, and get a fake passport....make your way to nearest airport.

 

Fly to Amsterdam, then to anywhere in the world..... Grow a beard! (May or may not work, if you're a woman....One of my ex's could knock out a corker!!!)

 

Change hairstyle....lay low!

 

There....All done!

 

Come back sometime later, as a different person, and apply for your old job!

 

Have you ever hand an interest in cannoing by any chance? lol

[Batman]

I think I'd need a disguise... bleach my hair and dress like a chav or something

 

My best chance I guess would be to head down to our nearest industrial estate and let myself into a lorry trailer, head as far north as possible (must remember food and water!). Can't use your car, might get away with jumping on a bus to somewhere but trains would be a no-no unless your disguise was very good because of CCTV at all the stations. The crucial thing would be to leave no clue of where you'd gone and how you'd got there.

 

You'd have to take as much cash as possible... surviving long term could be tough, you'd have to live somewhere and get food etc. Assuming another identity could be a good idea.

 

I don't think I'd last 5 minutes somehow!

[korifugi]

...Come back sometime later, as a different person, and apply for your old job!

 

As a distant cousin Reggie Perrin style

[GREED]

I think I'd need a disguise... bleach my hair and dress like a chav or something

 

My best chance I guess would be to head down to our nearest industrial estate and let myself into a lorry trailer, head as far north as possible (must remember food and water!). Can't use your car, might get away with jumping on a bus to somewhere but trains would be a no-no unless your disguise was very good because of CCTV at all the stations. The crucial thing would be to leave no clue of where you'd gone and how you'd got there.

 

You'd have to take as much cash as possible... surviving long term could be tough, you'd have to live somewhere and get food etc. Assuming another identity could be a good idea.

 

I don't think I'd last 5 minutes somehow!

 

Your batman... either you don't need a disguise... or you now need an AWESOME disguise!

[aerospacemango]

Have you ever hand an interest in cannoing by any chance? lol

 

No...but my Dad did! He was lost at sea

 

But then we found him again, so it was alright

 

(Please take that with a pinch of salt.......we never DID find him!!!)

[aerospacemango]

Actually, I think one of the easiest ways to drop off the radar would be to live as a homeless person in any of our major cities....

 

*serious point being made there*

 

Get yourself a McD's cup, straggly hair, a beard (again!) and some scruffy clothes, and you're made!

 

You can mooch round city centre's with no fear of anyone seeing you.

 

Which is a crying shame in this century

[GREED]

There is the theme of beards here!

 

I'm looking round my office now and going to ask my colleague who he is running from...

[GREED]

You can mooch round city centre's with no fear of anyone seeing you.

 

Which is a crying shame in this century

 

Called hiding in plane sight

[srochford]

 

Go straight to a major conurbation (London, Manchester, Brum, etc etc to get lost in the crowd....even with ALL the CCTV, they cannot pick you out immediately!)

 

 

I wonder if this is true any longer? Have you used Google Picasa? The face recognition is pretty amazing. If you can do that with free software running on a desktop PC I wonder what you'd be able to do with more computer power?

 

Tie that into stuff like collecting pictures at tube gates and on buses and linking them to Oyster data (you won't have a registered Oyster card but that means you stand out from all those who do) and I think it might be quite difficult to vanish in a crowd!

[aerospacemango]

There is the theme of beards here!

 

Can you tell that I have a proper full-on beard? LOL!!!

 

So.....I'd have to shave it OFF!

 

That's why I stay on the right side of the law....Don't wanna have to get rid of it!!!

[GREED]

I wouldn't worry anyway, no offence to anyone but the government but when do we (as a policing nation) every find anyone we are looking for?

[GREED]

Can you tell that I have a proper full-on beard? LOL!!!

 

So.....I'd have to shave it OFF!

 

That's why I stay on the right side of the law....Don't wanna have to get rid of it!!!

 

Where has he gone... I can't find him without his beard... lol

[aerospacemango]

I wonder if this is true any longer? Have you used Google Picasa? The face recognition is pretty amazing. If you can do that with free software running on a desktop PC I wonder what you'd be able to do with more computer power?

 

Tie that into stuff like collecting pictures at tube gates and on buses and linking them to Oyster data (you won't have a registered Oyster card but that means you stand out from all those who do) and I think it might be quite difficult to vanish in a crowd!

 

To an extent, I think that people tend to believe what they see in films?

 

"Look....There he is...Just getting on THAT bus....Zoom in and enhance.....XX56LON....That's the licence plate...Call the Police and get them to stop it.....Yep....Just there....That's him....Get him to turn around...." Etc etc etc.

 

What are the REAL chances of that happening? Slim to zero, I'd suggest.

 

By the time they have been able to get through the mountains of CCTV info coming in, you'd be well gone!

 

BUT.....If you want to conduct an experiment, I'm quite keen on bumping off some students....then I could go on the run.....and see how long the Feds take to catch me!!!!!

[pete]

Hide in plain site. Probably grow a beard and move next door.

 

Or just ask the aliens to glass the MIB HQ from orbit. Why should I run just because I loaned ET a cup of sugar?

 

(assumes nice aliens with sufficient interstellar clout to laugh at the puny human attempts at counterattack)

[MK-2]

You'd never be able to use a PC, or they'd create a GUI interface in VB to track you down.............

[K.C.Leblanc]

Get yourself a McD's cup, straggly hair, a beard (again!) and some scruffy clothes, and you're made!

 

I'm already half way there. I think I'd head for mainland europe, once you're there it's fairly easy to move around.

[aerospacemango]

You'd never be able to use a PC, or they'd create a GUI interface in VB to track you down.............

 

Surely that's one of the core functions of the internet.....

 

anonimity!

 

Ok, with a little digging, anyone on here could find out who I actually am, because I use the same log in on a few sites......

 

But what about "[email protected]"...The ID has just been initiated at an internet cafe, so how would they know it's me???? How would they know what signs to look for? They know to look for aerospacemango, but I've just become "Dave Gilmour" for the purposes, so they cannot trace me.

 

Easy!

[tmcd35]

Surely that's one of the core functions of the internet.....

 

anonimity!

 

Ok, with a little digging, anyone on here could find out who I actually am, because I use the same log in on a few sites......

 

But what about "[email protected]"...The ID has just been initiated at an internet cafe, so how would they know it's me???? How would they know what signs to look for? They know to look for aerospacemango, but I've just become "Dave Gilmour" for the purposes, so they cannot trace me.

 

Easy!

 

Please tell me you set that email address up via some kind of anonymous vpn proxy service (or three)? Other wise when the good old CSI guys work out who [email protected] is they'll contact MSN for the IP where that account was set up from, trace the IP back to that internet cafe on a given day/time and view the internet cafe's CCTV to confirm it's you. Hopefully you'd have skip'd town by then other wise the feds will be hanging around waiting for your next visit to that cafe to use that e-mail address...

 

So no e-mailing anyone you know from that address, because that's obviously what the feds are waiting for. Or never use the same internet cafe twice, and try not to stay in the same town/country too long either - they'll be looking for patterns in your movements, where that account was accessed from last.

 

All in all, best remember to sort a number of good anonymous vpn's and proxys to re-route all your web traffic through. All ways connect to them in a different order and pray that these 'anonymous vpn' sites are not storing your originating IP on their servers anyway.

 

Anonymity isn't a core feature of the internet, it's just a "relative" by-product from having billions of users on one network...