Job's throwing his toys out of his pram?

[creese]

Global CIO: Steve Jobs Declares War On Google -- InformationWeek

 

"But, while no company that's come before us or that's yet to be could ever lay claim to being faultless, Apple right now is operating at such a high-octane level of precision, excellence, and innovation that it's almost impossible to find flaw with its strategy, execution, operations, timing, positioning, products, or aspirations."

 

Don't mention the iPhone aerial.

[korifugi]

Don't mention the iPhone aerial.

 

I now have visions of Basil Fawlty striding round in glasses and a black polo-neck...

 

"Don't mention the iWar!!!"

"You started it!"

"No I didn't"

"Yes you did - you invaded Google!"

 

[sted]

jobs having a go at another company hmm must be a day ending in a y

[LosOjos]

Why you should never buy a Mac

[Theblacksheep]

muppet

[ZeroHour]

Why you should never buy a Mac

 

LMAO

[creese]

That's an interesting picture.

 

As I see it (and I may be way off), Apple have been successful because they don't offer much choice.

Want their phone? Well, buy an Iphone. Want an mp3 player? Ipod or Nano. Want a computer? Macbook, Mac or MacPro.

 

Contrast with Nokia, who currently offer 109 different models. What nonsense. How is anyone to choose from this Smorgasbord?

 

Thank god Apple don't run breweries or sandwich shops then.

[creese]

That's different. If you choose the wrong beer or chutney, for instance, it's very unlikely that you'll regret it in any real sense.

 

In the Apple world you wouldn't even have the chance to make the wrong choice. I'd rather have the option to make mistakes.

 

We will never see a cheap iPhone that just makes phone calls.

[jamesb]

That's different. If you choose the wrong beer or chutney, for instance, it's very unlikely that you'll regret it in any real sense.

 

You've obviously not tried some of the beers I have - though I'd still prefer the choice.

 

However its true that there is too much choice from some companies. I'm just pleased to see that Nokia are hopefully fixing this in their own product lines.

[SYNACK]

Thank god Apple don't run breweries or sandwich shops then.

 

Apple would never run a brewerie, it would never fit into their age appropriate sandbox for products.

[creese]

YES! You've got it! Where's the profit in a cheap iPhone? That's for Nokia these days.

 

That's not the arguement though is it? Nokia as you say offers choice, cheap, basic, many functions, Apple doesn't. If there was only Apple it would be the latest iPhone only pay up or shut up, literally. I prefer a worldwith choice. Roll on cheap 3D printers where people can design their own cases, unless its Apple when Jobs would probably sue.

[JJonas]

Andy Rubin responds to Steve Jobs with a coded tweet -- Engadget

 

TweetDeck CEO continues backlash against Jobs -- Engadget

[creese]

I have a great interest in Africa, SA in particular. Cheap basic phones are pretty essential as they act as a debit card. Few people in townships have access to a phone at home but many have cheap and basic Nokias.

 

No room for Mr Jobs there.

Edited October 20, 2010 by creese

[jamesb]

I have a great interest in Africa, SA in particular. Cheap basic phones are pretty essential as they act as a debit card. Few people in townships have access to a phone at home but many have cheap and basic Nokias.

 

No room for Mr Jobs there.

 

Nokia are also developing a few applications to improve things as well.

 

I know that they've done one which essentially allows you to transfer money via text message (sort of, the full mechanism is a bit more complex) so that people who've left their villages to work in towns can send money home without having to rely on the honesty and kindness of strangers. There's also a farming application to help with crop rotation which I heard about, and the bike charger they're looking to release is intended to help even more people use their phones.

 

Of course, since they're a company they are almost certainly doing this in order to increase the market and get more money out, but they're improving people's lives along the way, somewhat more than the average iPhone might.

 

Meanwhile Google and Apple are continuing their little spat to devalue the definition of open, and to try and get every bit of data on their users lives to sell (Google) or control their consumers (Apple).

 

Is it too late to become a luddite?

[creese]

Is it too late to become a luddite?

 

Hmmm. Probably

 

I had 3 people offering me money for an HTC windows slide phone on my last trip. I wouldn't accept money and gave about 4 phones away. It was quite interesting on early trips to see the poorest of people walking around with 'Cells'. Until I started satying with them and learned why.

Edited October 20, 2010 by creese

[Duane_Dibbley]

Don't you guys realise that Apple products are PERFECT in every way...they just invented this amazing thing called "FaceTime" where you can chat with your mates by VIDEO.

 

Its such an unbelievably brilliant idea I don't know why no one had thought of it already...MAGICAL

[SYNACK]

@jonwoods123 -

[Arthur]

Why you should never buy a Mac

You can say the same about any OEM. Take a look at the workstations that Dell or HP sell and you will see they charge similar amounts of money to upgrade components. For example, to upgrade from a 250GB 7,200 rpm HDD to a 1.5TB 7,200 rpm HDD on the Dell Precision T3500 costs £139.00 whereas you could buy one yourself for £45.00 + VAT. Likewise, to go from a 2.26GHz Xeon E5507 to a 2.66GHz Xeon E5640 (a difference of 400MHz) costs an additional £563!!! Should we not buy PCs at all and just build them ourselves since it's cheaper?

[sted]

You can say the same about any OEM. Take a look at the workstations that Dell or HP sell and you will see they charge similar amounts of money to upgrade components. For example, to upgrade from a 250GB 7,200 rpm HDD to a 1.5TB 7,200 rpm HDD on the Dell Precision T3500 costs £139.00 whereas you could buy one yourself for £45.00 + VAT. Likewise, to go from a 2.26GHz Xeon E5507 to a 2.66GHz Xeon E5640 (a difference of 400MHz) costs an additional £563!!! Should we not buy PCs at all and just build them ourselves since it's cheaper?

but at least we have the option

[john]

Why you should never buy a Mac

 

Love that poster great find and its actually an accurate analogy of the pricing, why should they all be amazingly over-priced parts its a rip off.

[Arthur]

but at least we have the option

You still do with Apple though. There's nothing stopping you from buying HDDs, RAM and so on elsewhere at significantly lower prices. I have done this many times in the past and saved thousands of pounds, either by buying the parts from a third-party like Crucial/Dabs etc. and fitting them myself or by purchasing Mac's through an Apple reseller.

 

It's actually an accurate analogy of the pricing, why should they all be amazingly over-priced parts its a rip off.

In this case it isn't though - is it? The main problem I have with that poster is that whoever created it is not doing a like-for-like comparison. Here are a few examples of what I mean (12-core Apple Mac Pro vs. 12-core HP Z600 Workstation).

 

http://mini.adsl24.co.uk/images/forums/Apple_vs_HP-001.png

 

http://mini.adsl24.co.uk/images/forums/Apple_vs_HP-002.png

 

If you actually spend some time to compare a Mac Pro with it's equivalent in the Windows world you will see that the poster is mostly not true.

[creese]

Don't you guys realise that Apple products are PERFECT in every way...they just invented this amazing thing called "FaceTime" where you can chat with your mates by VIDEO.

 

Its such an unbelievably brilliant idea I don't know why no one had thought of it already...MAGICAL

 

You can see yourself and the person you are speaking to at the same time. I can do without my mirror now. Yippee!!!

[Tunster]

@Arthur - Thanks for the response! I was going to say the same. What large PC manufactures don't charge ridiculous amounts for upgrades on their PCs? Dell, Sony, HP? I'd say they all do as they haven't to make a profit margin somewhere! We all know we can build a PC for a fraction of the cost. Apple is no different. The biggest difference between them and rest is the quality of their products.

 

If anyone tells me the new Macbook Air's are anyway backwards or awful, look at the spec's again. The engineering on it is truly immense.

 

http://www.apple.com/uk/macbookair/

[gopher_1999]

@Arthur - Thanks for the response! I was going to say the same. What large PC manufactures don't charge ridiculous amounts for upgrades on their PCs? Dell, Sony, HP? I'd say they all do as they haven't to make a profit margin somewhere! We all know we can build a PC for a fraction of the cost. Apple is no different. The biggest difference between them and rest is the quality of their products.

 

If anyone tells me the new Macbook Air's are anyway backwards or awful, look at the spec's again. The engineering on it is truly immense.

 

Apple (United Kingdom) - MacBook Air - The next generation of MacBooks

 

Over priced and underpowered toy aimed at people who are blinded by the apple badge. Wouldn't give it houseroom. We have 2 at school in a safe because they were not up to what the users wanted.

[Tunster]

Over priced and underpowered toy aimed at people who are blinded by the apple badge. Wouldn't give it houseroom. We have 2 at school in a safe because they were not up to what the users wanted.

Maybe the teachers didn't know how to use them? I know the 11" Macbook Air is double price of a netbook, but I'd personally pay £800 for the entry level one for the design and long-life of the product not falling apart after a year! It fits a market for people who don't need the extra optical drives and want extra portability. That and the iPad wipe out any need for a windows netbook straight away.