rapid_f1 Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 Does anyone know if there are any licensing issues with streaming the world cup match between Slovenia and England in school? it is part of a btec activity they are doing. about 300 kids, 30 staff.
rapid_f1 Posted June 13, 2010 Author Posted June 13, 2010 lol strangely the teacher said to me as part of their business btec thing they are going to charge people to watch the game in our school hall...i raised my eyebrows at that.
SimpleSi Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 the teacher said to me as part of their business btec thing they are going to charge people to watch the game in our school hall. That's OK as long as she factors in the cost of a public screening licencse
SimpleSi Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 I particulary smile when schools (not mine of course) charge to show a film on DVD for a PTFA event
stevenlong1985 Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 You should be Covered by your LEA, as school have had TV since the beginning of time and some school show some educational shows during the morning channel 4 or BBC 2. Old school stuff
michaelf Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 Can anyone confirm if anything more than a TV license is required to show the game for free, in the canteen for example?
SimpleSi Posted June 13, 2010 Posted June 13, 2010 All you need to watch a live program for free is a TV license. regards Simon 1
TechR Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 We're going through this at the moment, and you do need a licence from FIFA to show it. They require you to have a non-commercial public viewing licence. The licence is free, but it is required. Unfortunately, the deadline for applications was 07/05/10.
localzuk Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 We're going through this at the moment, and you do need a licence from FIFA to show it. They require you to have a non-commercial public viewing licence. The licence is free, but it is required. Unfortunately, the deadline for applications was 07/05/10. If the game is shown on a TV channel, or live on iplayer etc... and the school has a tv license, FIFA has no say in any further licensing - it is covered by UK broadcasting law!
TechR Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Not according to FIFA. The agreements with the BBC, ITV, etc are all intertwined with this. Honestly, why have they bothered putting up a whole section about licences if its as simple as "If its on TV, whack it on" ?
localzuk Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Not according to FIFA. The agreements with the BBC, ITV, etc are all intertwined with this. Honestly, why have they bothered putting up a whole section about licences if its as simple as "If its on TV, whack it on" ? Because UK law trumps some nonsense agreement by a company? See TV Licensing - Business and organisations FIFA is NOT in charge of the UK airwaves. The UK government is, and they make it very clear with regards to what the license covers.
TechR Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 So the BBC signed up to this agreement with FIFA, knowing that they were going to disregard large chunks of it? Best get down the high street and let all the pubs and bars know that they can claim back all that cash they wasted on a fifa broadcast licence. FIFA.com - FIFA Regulations for non-commercial public viewing exhibitions FIFA.com - FIFA Regulations for commercial public viewing exhibitions
SimpleSi Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 They require you to have a non-commercial public viewing licence. Can I refer you to my 1st answer regards Simon
localzuk Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 So the BBC signed up to this agreement with FIFA, knowing that they were going to disregard large chunks of it? Best get down the high street and let all the pubs and bars know that they can claim back all that cash they wasted on a fifa broadcast licence. FIFA.com - FIFA Regulations for non-commercial public viewing exhibitions FIFA.com - FIFA Regulations for commercial public viewing exhibitions I don't care what FIFA says... When I pay for a TV license, it allows me to show TV in my house. It also allows me to have friends around to watch it. When a school pays for a TV license, it allows the school to show TV to its staff and pupils, and to any visitors within the site for school business. How do you reckon FIFA are allowed to overrule the various Acts of Parliament by trying to enforce private licensing for these places?
TechR Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Can I refer you to my 1st answer regards Simon Of course you may, it doesn't make it any more correct. Watching it for free and letting lots of people watch it in a canteen in a school are two different things. Sitting at home, all you need is a TV licence. It is a totally different situation with a gathering of people in a work place, even if entry isn't charged. I know its stupid, I know its ridiculous. I was just trying to pass on some info. I can't be bothered to argue it, because I know I'm right. If you want, you can give the BBC a ring and tell them they're wrong too, they're the ones that told us this. Cue "lol troll, lol leaving because you'er wrong, lol whatever" here. Glass stomach.
localzuk Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Of course you may, it doesn't make it any more correct. Watching it for free and letting lots of people watch it in a canteen in a school are two different things. Sitting at home, all you need is a TV licence. It is a totally different situation with a gathering of people in a work place, even if entry isn't charged. I know its stupid, I know its ridiculous. I was just trying to pass on some info. I can't be bothered to argue it, because I know I'm right. If you want, you can give the BBC a ring and tell them they're wrong too, they're the ones that told us this. Cue "lol troll, lol leaving because you'er wrong, lol whatever" here. Glass stomach. That's just the thing, why do you say you're right? Because FIFA say so? Personally, I'll stick to following TV Licensing law instead. Showing a tv show to a closed audience is not the same as showing it in a pub. The audience is part of the school, and covered by the normal terms of the TV license! If we were opening our doors up to random people, then sure I'd start questioning what licenses we need, but as we're not and it might just be a class full of kids watching...
TechR Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Did we miss the part about the BBC? Please, by all means call them up and tell them they're wrong. If you could post a recording and/or transcript I would be most grateful.
localzuk Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Did we miss the part about the BBC? Please, by all means call them up and tell them they're wrong. If you could post a recording and/or transcript I would be most grateful. Whoever told you was also wrong then, sorry but there is NO information about needing a license to show the World Cup in schools anywhere on UK TV licensing sites, the BBC site etc... other than on the FIFA site. The key point is - we're not showing to the general public. It is NOT a public viewing event. It is a private event, covered by a normal TV license. Otherwise, every time something came on TV, we would have to contact the company that produced it and ask them whether there is an individual license to show it in school. That's just the thing. The BBC and FIFA don't get to make these decisions - those are decisions made by the BBC Trust and the government via Acts of Parliament.
SteveBentley Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Best get down the high street and let all the pubs and bars know that they can claim back all that cash they wasted on a fifa broadcast licence. Or not Commercial Establishments: Public Viewing Events in “Commercial Establishments”, such as pubs, clubs and bars, are NOT deemed to be Commercial Public Viewing Events unless further commercial activities, such as admission fees or sponsorship activities, take place in relation to their public viewing activities.
RTFM Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 (edited) If we're honest, does anyone really expect any comeback from anyone if you do show it and dont have 'the proper license' or whatever. As long as you arent charging admission or making any money from it, i don't really see the issue...... Edited June 16, 2010 by RTFM
DrCheese Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 If we're honest, does anyone really expect any comeback from anyone if you do show it and dont have 'the proper license' or whatever. As long as you arent charing admission or making any money from it, i don't really see the issue...... Pretty much, Remember the 2002 world cup? Virtually every single school in the country had to show the games as they were in the morning and no one would actually turn up to school otherwise Did any school get sued for it? No. Did the news networks (including the BBC) go around schools reporting about schools showing it? Yes. As long as you have a TV license I don't see them kicking up a fuss about it it is part of a btec activity they are doing. about 300 kids, 30 staff. haha What an excuse >.>
SimpleSi Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 I can't be bothered to argue it, because I know I'm right. OMG - who let my mother-in-law on the forum?
SimpleSi Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Just remember that the money you charge on the door is for the drink and crisps - you are not charging to watch the programme regards Simon
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