Fair comment?

[Dos_Box]

Paul Hiscox (BrizschoolsIT) on Twitter

 

@bobharrisonset Can't treat anything on edugeek.net as substantive, its full of marketeers and slanderers. re:Schools being treated like 'an open chequebook', says NAHT - News - TES Connect

 

Stange that, as we spend a hell of a lot of time removing slander (lawers love slander, it pays for holidays don't yer know), and marketeers (sponsors) who are not offering the kind of prices they should be doing, get ripped into. Nice link though.

[localzuk]

Considering everyone on this site can be contacted via the site, and are covered by libel/slander laws etc... He's not really right at all. Any claims I make as a user on here rest squarely on my shoulders to prove, should I need to. Anyone who makes stuff up would only be damaging their own reputation and potentially damaging their career.

[elsiegee40]

He's welcome to his opinion... I just don't happen to agree with it. What have we done to upset him?

[AngryTechnician]

Can't treat anything on Twitter as substantive, it's full of anonymous fakers and corporate shills.

 

P.S. Follow me on Twitter!

[SYNACK]

Maybe the original edugeek comments hit a bit to close to home for this particular "Local Authority man, manage a team of IT technicians. Working in Primary education."

 

Purely speculation on my part but it would explain the reaction.

[Guest theeldergeek]

Paul Hiscox (BrizschoolsIT) on Twitter

 

 

 

Stange that, as we spend a hell of a lot of time removing slander (lawers love slander, it pays for holidays don't yer know), and marketeers (sponsors) who are not offering the kind of prices they should be doing, get ripped into. Nice link though.

 

Why not invite him here for a debate on the matter? If he is so sure of himself, and values his integrity, he'll not decline. If he does turn down the offer, I'll take from that that he didn't have the best day at work and his comments really are quite insignificant.

 

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[chrbb]

I'm a bit miffed about his comment, I'm neither a marketeer nor slanderer.

 

Decided to delete my comments - not worth the hassle

Edited May 1, 2010 by chrbb

[FN-GM]

Well it is full of marketeers but i don't see it as a bad thing.

[localzuk]

Considering the article and the NAHT report contains one of my comments, I'm quite annoyed by the fact that he's effectively calling me a slanderer... Which in itself is slander.

[Dos_Box]

He's welcome to his opinion... I just don't happen to agree with it. What have we done to upset him?

 

I had a message from someone 'senior' this morning outlining as to why he may be upset with us, but I shall post something on Tuesday in the general direction of what it is, and we may have to be a little more objective in what we post and why. Still, it put a smile on my face this morning as it made me relaise just how ingrained we've become in the education system.

It seems we may have derailed someones plans somewhere.

Edited May 1, 2010 by Dos_Box
Masses of grammar and spelling errors due to me rushing out of the house this morning!

[joe90bass]

Still, it put a smile on my face this morning as it masde me relaise just how ingrained we've become in the education system..

As Lennon sang, "Power to the People!"

It seems we may have derailed someones plans somewhere.

Not always a bad thing! I await with interest your post on Tuesday!

[elsiegee40]

It seems we may have derailed someones plans somewhere.

I thought as much! It was that kind of reaction!

[SimpleSi]

Local Authority man, manage a team of IT technicians. Working in Primary education

mmm

 

I was going to comment- then thought no - I won't - because everyone will know what I was going to say and I don't think you can be done yet for thinking (unless you happen to articulate it in the back of a car with the mic still on )

 

regards

Simon

[SimpleSi]

BSF Leadership Programme

 

Just to say that when you get to 30 clients/class - you've got to start to be creative with your "home" APs.

 

But for the last 5 years, 1 "home" AP class has worked fine for banks of 15 laptops at a time.

 

And the 1st time I bought an "enterprise" "suitable for education" solution - half the netbooks wouldn't work with it (blaming the netbooks BTW not the enterprise solution )

 

So even PG planning leads to PP results if the IT Gods don't smile down on you

 

But obviously in the money-no-object-for-primary-wireless world the man's dead right

 

Please feel free to delete any slanderous comments

 

regards

 

Simon

Edited May 2, 2010 by SimpleSi

[SimpleSi]

What's a marketeer btw - do we actually have any around here ?????

[steve]

What's a marketeer btw - do we actually have any around here ?????

 

A bit like a musketeer - but its more like all for one and me for me!

[User3204]

Well basically, Marketing is the study of Markets..

 

The people that ask you questions in the street are Marketeers, they ask questions, to find out what people are interested in buying, so they can work out who they are able to sell to, based upon what wants they have.

 

It's not be confused (like this) with Advertising.. which is trying to apply all the lessons learnt by the Marketing people to persuade people to buy (which is where the sales people come in).

[EduTech]

Hmm, I thought as much now i am curious as to what plans we have de-railed is that what you will be saying on Tuesday?

 

I do agree with what was said in the link he sent through, and i would guess that the report that was published quoting posts from edugeek was from people who came here for help and advice because they either found out they were being taken for a ride and being over charged, or/ they were just curious and came here for advice on what to do. I would say that most of the people that came on here because of this found more "reliable" "trustworthy" suppliers to deal with so that they dont get ripped of by those companys who wish to take advantage.

 

It's one thing that has always annoyed me! i understand there is a cost to things but not for companys to put quite a high mark up on things because they know the school will pay it what ever it is. I have spoken to many schools myself (just local) and this has happend to them and it makes me angry to see companys do this to people after all they put alot of trust in them it's just that some companys take advantage of it.

 

Be interested to here what get's sayed tuesday, and to also hear what plans we have supposed to of messed up. and i think i can see what posts may of been quoted

 

J

[Batman]

All I'm interested in is having a play on that Fender Esquire in his background. That looks nice!

[GrumbleDook]

Being fair though ... this site is used for the promotion of particular companies and some members (myself included) can come across as one-sided in our recommendations ... I know that I have recommended smoothwall a heck of a lot, and frequently without explicit justifications ... usually because I have made my justifications in previous post and can't be bothered to type them yet again. If someone finds a thread on here about a product which is basically having a go at a product with no-one else giving a balanced view or with lots of people shouting down that balanced view (which we have all seen happen) then it will give the wrong impression of the site as well particular products.

 

Ok, it is a generalisation but possibly with justification.

 

The NCSL article is good and in spite of people having good use of 'home APs' it is more frequently the case of it not working well from my experience, far more frequent to find it a mess than enterprise level wi-fi solutions being a mess. More often than not it is the implementation which is at fault, not the equipment when it comes to enterprise solutions.

 

Personally I don't like the slander and marketeer bit, but would like to open up the discussion a bit more. Is it a case that opinion not backed up with fact is causing a problem?

[synaesthesia]

The internet *is* opinion - and anyone coming to what is primarily a community will be looking very hard amongst the field of opinion to find industry backed facts. Anyone thinking otherwise is plain daft, and moreover anyone thinking an opinion by one of more participants of such a community constitutes slander or anything of a similar ilk has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Funnily enough though, generally you'll get a better idea of a products capabilities, pro's and cons via the people using them; not the people reviewing them professionally who are in many cases receiving money from one or more parties to put a particular slant on any product. Thinking otherwise is naive and silly. This fellow's blog post is little more than an opinion of his own and he's welcome to express that obviously, and also would like to see him pop over in this direction and put his opinions to others here. Good examples of people "slanting" their reviews include Toms Hardware (we all remember that nasty fakery), The Inquirer, Ars Technica, Hexus - the list goes on and on.

[torledo]

become tangled in expensive contracts that end up costing the school thousands of pounds more than was needed

 

and that's just the teachers.

 

boom boom.

[SimpleSi]

nd also would like to see him pop over in this direction

 

I'll bet that he's already here and reading every word of this

 

Simon

[BTCC_Fan]

I would disagree with his opinion fully.

 

Dos_box and the rest of the mods work very hard to make sure any posts that could be classed as slander are dealt with approraitely.

 

Yes marketing, to some degree, does happen on this site but it help keeps the site going? Anyway in most cases the poster asks for help and the relevant companies just offer their services.

 

Its his opinion and he is entitled to it, even though his comments about this site are misleading.

[synaesthesia]

Funnily enough could his comments be treated as slanderous?