Dumb question - SATA and re-install XP

[jsnetman]

Not all the bios's have that option but yes sometimes it is an option.

[witch]

Right - taken gender out of the debate (not that I put it in)

I was commenting on your lack of understanding and unkindness actually

 

It was laserblazer who mentioned a universal driver first, not the OP

Edited March 19, 2010 by witch

[jsnetman]

I did not say that the original post mentioned a universal nic driver, I merely commented that I had never heard of one. Edited March 19, 2010 by jsnetman

[elsiegee40]

OK guys, it's late and I'm shattered.

 

@witch I appreciate you sticking up for me.

 

@garethedmondson... the original problem moved on to a LAN driver that I still haven't found

 

@jsnetman if by inexperience you mean that I have never installed on RAID before. You're right. Howver I have uinstalled XP many times and have plenty of experience. However, as everyone here, my experience may not be in the same areas as you.

 

These boards are for techs to get help, and are especially useful when like me they are in departments of 1 with nobody else to ask in the neighbourhood on that dreadful Friday afternoon when it seems like just about everything has gone wrong and you can't trust yourself to open the hobnob packet. (I don't even work afternoons officially!) The patience and support we all give and get helps our schools. Insulting each other is not constructive. I'm too tired to shoutback anyway.

 

I shall have to come back to this at some point tomorrow... I'm being finance trained in my role as school governor tomorrow - I doubt my brain will be any less addled when I return to hunt the driver.

 

 

 

 

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[yugo]

Select software and drivers Compaq Presario SR1369ES Desktop PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)

 

elsiegee40

Searched with just sr1369 on hp and got the above^

you could try the Spring 2005 Original Network Adapter Driver Collection, if you haven't already!

[elsiegee40]

Select software and drivers Compaq Presario SR1369ES Desktop PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)

 

elsiegee40

Searched with just sr1369 on hp and got the above^

you could try the Spring 2005 Original Network Adapter Driver Collection, if you haven't already!

 

Tried Summer and Fall, didn't find the Spring but will give it a go.... tomorrow. Off for a bedtime brandy now. I need it.

[jsnetman]

Ok apologies eslie and witch, I should not post on a Friday night after the pub.

[Michael]

@elsiegee40 - Never lose hope, you're actually closer than you realise

 

These instructions are the initial screen:

 

How To Use:

1. Download the driver package.

2. Double-click on the icon for the driver package downloaded in step 1, and then click NEXT.

3. Select "I accept the terms in the license agreement", and then click NEXT.

4. Click OK to continue. The original drivers are now stored in the C:\HP\Drivers\LAN folder.

5. If Device Manager does not start automatically, use the following steps. Otherwise go to step 6:

a. Click Start.

b. Right-click My Computer, and then select Properties.

c. Click the Hardware tab, and then click the Device Manager button.

6. Click the + (plus) sign next to "Network adapters" or "Other devices".

7. Right-click "Ethernet Controller" or the device you want to update, and then select "Update Driver...".

8. Click NEXT to install the software automatically

9. Click FINISHED to complete the installation.

 

This is fairly typical of network drivers which require manual installation and the only reason I know this is through learning and experimentation

[srochford]

One other thing which might help here and will hopefully help other people with driver problems on HP/Compaq computers is HP Softpaq Manager - it seems to move around the web site but you should be able to find a download link with this: site:hp.com "Download HP SoftPaq Download Manager" - Google Search

 

In an ideal world, you download it on your machine with missing drivers, it then works out what machine you've got and fetches and installs all the drivers for it.

 

In a non-ideal world, you run it on a machine with network access, select the computer which needs drivers from the list and then let it search and manually download the drivers. You then stick the network driver on a USB stick etc and put it in the machine to be fixed.

 

The other possibility is that for some reason the PC doesn't have the standard NIC - not terribly likely if it's onboard but more likely if it's a separate card. To find out what kind of card it is, right click it in device manager and go to properties and then details. In the property list, find details - it's a string like:

PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_4230

 

This tells you that the manufacturer is "8086" and the particular item is "4230" Now go to PCI Vendor and Device Lists and enter the 8086 in the Vendor Search box and search; do the same for the device search. You should now have a manufacturer and a model which generally gets you to the right download.

[chrbb]

Got it sorted yet?

 

When all else fails I put one of those usb ethernet sticks in and connect to the internet and let the pc find it's own driver off the manufacturer's website, or an external wireless adaptor.

 

Voice of reason here from your identical triplet - You don't need me to say do you that tackling a tricky job on a Friday night after a duff tiring week is not a good idea, (apart from the fact it's exactly what I would have done - as of course we are the same person in the same job:D:D)

[elsiegee40]

Just back from Finance Training and feeling a bit better than I was last night, decided to have a quick lookin here before lunch and rolling my sleeves up.

Got it sorted yet?

 

When all else fails I put one of those usb ethernet sticks in and connect to the internet and let the pc find it's own driver off the manufacturer's website, or an external wireless adaptor.

 

Voice of reason here from your identical triplet - You don't need me to say do you that tackling a tricky job on a Friday night after a duff tiring week is not a good idea, (apart from the fact it's exactly what I would have done - as of course we are the same person in the same job:D:D)

If I had one of those USB ethernet sticks, I'd use it... I'll have to get one! Unfortunately Friday night it had to be. Family requirements of me are such that I really have very little time to tackle this this weekend. Even last night, I was dealing with one teenager and Scouts, the other's Spanish oral practice (GCSE exam Monday - no I don't speak Spanish) and OH's PowerPoint troubles (also needed Monday)... who'd be a Mum and an It tech? Well you know!?

@elsiegee40 - Never lose hope, you're actually closer than you realise

 

These instructions are the initial screen:

 

This is fairly typical of network drivers which require manual installation and the only reason I know this is through learning and experimentation

 

That's what I've been doing, but thanks anyway Michael, your help is always appreciated... It's not great getting that message saying 'it's not there, can I look on the internet?' when you can't connect to the internet *sigh *

 

One other thing which might help here and will hopefully help other people with driver problems on HP/Compaq computers is HP Softpaq Manager - it seems to move around the web site but you should be able to find a download link with this: site:hp.com "Download HP SoftPaq Download Manager" - Google Search

 

In an ideal world, you download it on your machine with missing drivers, it then works out what machine you've got and fetches and installs all the drivers for it.

 

In a non-ideal world, you run it on a machine with network access, select the computer which needs drivers from the list and then let it search and manually download the drivers. You then stick the network driver on a USB stick etc and put it in the machine to be fixed.

 

The other possibility is that for some reason the PC doesn't have the standard NIC - not terribly likely if it's onboard but more likely if it's a separate card. To find out what kind of card it is, right click it in device manager and go to properties and then details. In the property list, find details - it's a string like:

PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_4230

 

This tells you that the manufacturer is "8086" and the particular item is "4230" Now go to PCI Vendor and Device Lists and enter the 8086 in the Vendor Search box and search; do the same for the device search. You should now have a manufacturer and a model which generally gets you to the right download.

 

@srochford that PCI Vendor and Device Lists is now bookmarked.... * Big hug *

Vendor 1106, Device 3106 (which I already had written down but hadn't translated) is Via Technologies Inc, Rhine III PCI Fast Ethernet Controller (and/or) Fast Ethernet Adapter.

 

Time for a sandwich and then back to search for the little blighter after I've boosted my blood sugars!

Edited March 20, 2010 by elsiegee40

[Michael]

When the add Hardware Wizard appears, when asked:

 

Can Windows connect to Windows Update...Choose No, not at this time and click Next >

 

What do you want the wizard to do? Choose Install from a list or specific location (Advanced) and click Next >

 

Tick to enable Include this location in the search, then click Browse.

 

According to the instructions specify C:\HP\Drivers\LAN and the wizard should hopefully install the drivers

[witch]

I think that you are going above and beyond the call of duty, triplet...

(she says, whilst trying to get a flaming slideshow to run on a website..does anyone do drupal????)

good luck

[elsiegee40]

When the add Hardware Wizard appears, when asked:

 

Can Windows connect to Windows Update...Choose No, not at this time and click Next >

 

What do you want the wizard to do? Choose Install from a list or specific location (Advanced) and click Next >

 

Tick to enable Include this location in the search, then click Browse.

 

According to the instructions specify C:\HP\Drivers\LAN and the wizard should hopefully install the drivers

 

... yep and then it goes back to "The driver isn't here, can I connect to the internet?"

 

Identified the Mobo now (MS-7184), will go back to the driver hunt after I've spent an hour helping daughter prepare for Monday's GCSE Spanish Oral

[oxide54]

... yep and then it goes back to "The driver isn't here, can I connect to the internet?"

 

Identified the Mobo now (MS-7184), will go back to the driver hunt after I've spent an hour helping daughter prepare for Monday's GCSE Spanish Oral

 

I've just downloaded the spring 2005 collection from here

 

Select software and drivers Compaq Presario SR1369ES Desktop PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)

 

it is in the Rhine sub directory "C:\hp\drivers\lan\lan_Via_Rhine"

 

if you inspect the inf file in that directory you will find

 

 

[MANUF]

%VT3106S.DeviceDesc% = VT3106S.ndi, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3053&SUBSYS_01061106

%VT3106J.DeviceDesc% = VT3106J.ndi, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3106&SUBSYS_01051106

%VT3065.DeviceDesc% = VT3065.ndi, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3065&SUBSYS_01051106

%VT3065.DeviceDesc% = VT3065.ndi, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3065&SUBSYS_01021106

%VT3043.DeviceDesc% = VT3043.ndi, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3043&SUBSYS_01001106

%VT3106S.DeviceDesc% = VT3106S.ndi, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3053

%VT3106J.DeviceDesc% = VT3106J.ndi, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3106

%VT3065.DeviceDesc% = VT3065.ndi, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3065

%VT3043.DeviceDesc% = VT3043.ndi, PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3043

 

 

so it does support your device, may be you need to point the hardware wizard at the lan_via_rhine sub directory not just the drivers\hp directory.

 

Hope you get it working.

[SYNACK]

Heres what I would do and have done recently in that situation. Grab the oldest PCI network card from a known vendor you can lay your hands on and put that in. These usually have integrated windows drivers and are usually cheap to grab out of an old machine temporarily. Then use the Windows update driver search bit in the update driver feature from device manager which is actually really good now.

 

The other way is the exact way that you are trying next, going to the motherboard vendors site and grabbing them from there. Sometimes the standard drivers don't work propperly because the vendor implements them in a nonstandard way and only their driver will interface propperly with the device. I had this with some SiS 900 cards which only worked with one specific driver even after a BIOS update.

Edited March 20, 2010 by SYNACK

[oxide54]

Heres what I would do and have done recently in that situation.

 

blah blah blah

 

 

or point the hardware wizard at the correct directory

 

"C:\hp\drivers\lan\lan_Via_Rhine"

[EduTech]

I went to post this earlier, but internet went off

 

He or she it does not matter, if you are a techie of any description asking on a forum where to find a driver surely shows lack of experience. I would expect that kind of post on a gaming website where usually you have non technical people asking how to do things on their PC.

 

I guess I'm in for a bashing here

 

To be quite honest with what your coming out with yes you are asking for an ear bashing, infact what your currently is totally wrong and if you knew the ethos behind edugeek and the forums here it does not matter what people ask!

 

We are not here for the Pro's and Experts we are here for everyone from someone who has never ever turned a computer on before to someone who could probably do anything that was thrown at them.

 

If someone comes on here and asks for help then anyone would help them the best way they could, if it means talking them through it step by step from the thing that may be the stupidest thing to you but not to them all the way through to a solved problem then you should not put that down.

 

I know of people whom have put a WindowsXP Disc into a computer and have managed to format there computer, never done it before but just followed the instructions, yes the fun part at the end is finding the drivers but just because they cant find the drivers does not mean they should not be formatting a computer. (yes it would cause them problems afterwards)

 

All i am saying is that if i was you i would chill out abit and if your going to say something then that is fine but dont inssult other members and/or these forums we are here for everyone not just IT Pro's!

 

James.

[oxide54]

James,

 

 

your right in what your saying. I just normally take the same approach to trolling as I do distriptutive kids.

 

Don't give them the attention they so obviously crave!

[oxide54]

anyway sorry but im going to post this again so it doesn't get lost in the midst.

 

Please read my above post the drivers are in the pack.

 

point the hardware wizard at the correct directory

 

"C:\hp\drivers\lan\lan_Via_Rhine"

[elsiegee40]

Just so peple know where I've got... sorry if this is very bitty, I really am having to do 5 minutes here and there as I have other things that have to get done too...

 

Finally drivers are installed... thanks HP for not putting them with the actual model of this PC (PC is SR1369UK not SR1369ES where drivers were found)

 

However, despite them being installed and a reboot, I still have no connection. No little green light at the back, no acknowledgment of existence by my router. Router Ping Fails.

 

Installation gave me 3 items under Network Manager - Device Adapter:

- 1394 Net Adapter (network Connections = Connected, Firewalled)

- Realtek RTL 8139 family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC (Network Connections = Big Red X, Network Cable Unplugged)

- Via Rhine III Fast ethernet adapter (Network Connections = Big Red X, Network Cable Unplugged)

 

Yes it is plugged in... wrong driver?

[SYNACK]

Installation gave me 3 items under Network Manager - Device Adapter:

- 1394 Net Adapter (network Connections = Connected, Firewalled)

- Realtek RTL 8139 family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC (Network Connections = Big Red X, Network Cable Unplugged)

- Via Rhine III Fast ethernet adapter (Network Connections = Big Red X, Network Cable Unplugged)

 

Yes it is plugged in... wrong driver?

 

This is the exact same kind of error that I got with the SiS cards that I was talking about earlier, it may need the driver for the same hardware but a custom version direct from the motherboard vendor. I have also had on board NICs burn out from time to time. What is the Realtek one, did you add another PCI one in and does its cable detection work?

 

 

@Oxide54 blah blah blah is probably a tad harsh don't you think, I thought it could be useful information.

Edited March 20, 2010 by SYNACK

[oxide54]

 

@Oxide54 blah blah blah is probably a tad harsh don't you think, I thought it could be useful information.

 

sorry wasn't meant as a dig at you at all i meant was etc, my sense of humour comes across as blunt at times,

[oxide54]

Just so peple know where I've got... sorry if this is very bitty, I really am having to do 5 minutes here and there as I have other things that have to get done too...

 

Finally drivers are installed... thanks HP for not putting them with the actual model of this PC (PC is SR1369UK not SR1369ES where drivers were found)

 

However, despite them being installed and a reboot, I still have no connection. No little green light at the back, no acknowledgment of existence by my router. Router Ping Fails.

 

Installation gave me 3 items under Network Manager - Device Adapter:

- 1394 Net Adapter (network Connections = Connected, Firewalled)

- Realtek RTL 8139 family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC (Network Connections = Big Red X, Network Cable Unplugged)

- Via Rhine III Fast ethernet adapter (Network Connections = Big Red X, Network Cable Unplugged)

 

Yes it is plugged in... wrong driver?

 

Out of interest what was the reason for the rebuild in the first place?

 

 

Are there any options in the CMOS for the nic??

 

and did the nic work before??

 

 

btw for next time there's DriverBackup which will backup all your installed drivers and normally saves this kind of problem.

 

http://sourceforge.net/projects/drvback/

Edited March 20, 2010 by oxide54

[elsiegee40]

lots of questions to answer...

 

Reason for rebuild - major slow down turned into only boot in safe mode - virus infestation.

 

NIC did work before

 

Can't find any CMOS settings

 

I have no idea what/where the Realtek one is... no apparent socket. I haven't added anything at all.

 

 

* Sudden thought - trots off to re-examine back of PC *

 

:o

 

Ok, OK, I've just been and looked.

As SYNACK rightly points out, if there's a driver installed, presumably there's a socket... and there is ( DUH!)... separate card. Mobo NIC does not work, other card does :o:o (I said this has been a bad week.)

 

Hugs and kisses to everyone.

 

Connecting cable to correct socket means that I now have a connection.

 

Hopefully this is the last you'll hear about this wretched machine!

 

I shall enjoy the red wine tonight that i should have enjoyed last night, but never got round to.