[windows software] BBC iPlayer Licencing

[danrhodes]

Hi,

 

Are there any licensing implications for schools that want to show their pupils content from iPlayer? We have a few members of staff who want to show programs on the Whiteboard for use in lessons, such things as popular soaps in Drama lessons etc.

 

Do schools need a public broadcast licence to do this?

 

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[powdarrmonkey]

The full T&Cs are here: BBC - BBC iPlayer - Help - What are the terms and conditions for BBC iPlayer?

 

Further to that you should speak to the BBC for a definitive answer, since none of us (TMK) are lawyers.

[danrhodes]

Thanks PowdarMonkey.

[danrhodes]

Not to attempt to, or assist any other person to, copy, reproduce, lend, hire, broadcast, distribute or transmit in any other way the BBC Content in whole or in part other than by using the "Link to this Feature"or as permitted in these Terms or to circumvent or remove the digital rights security measures embedded in the BBC Content;

 

What does this say to you that it's not allowed, are they broadcasting to an audience?

[stevenlong1985]

You should be covered by your LEA, as the video is used for educational reasons etc...

[Cools]

the LEA should pay for your ERA.. But if its click View then you need a ERA+ ..

[danrhodes]

the LEA should pay for your ERA.. But if its click View then you need a ERA+ ..

 

What's an ERA, all I can find is references to Baseball?

 

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Edited March 10, 2010 by danrhodes

[RinSewand]

ERA Home

 

Google: Era Licence

 

Hope that helps...

[Pumaedition]

I'll come in here as well....Our Head of Geography wants to use some programs that BBC have recently been showing. I am 99.7% sure that we have the ERA+ license, but how can we stop the DRM downloading the rights after the 28 day expiration? Is it something to contact BBC about?

 

Cheers

 

Edit: Found what I am looking for. Looks like iPlayer isn't covered by the ERA+ license

 

source: http://www.era.org.uk/FAQ.html

 

Can I record on-demand services?

 

On-demand services, i.e. where the viewer or listener actively chooses the viewing or listening time or content of individual programmes as part of that service, are not considered to be broadcasts under the Act and are therefore covered neither by the an ERA licence nor by any part of Section 35.

 

There are different types of on-demand services (e.g. podcasts). Where the terms and conditions for reception of the service permit customers to record programmes for subsequent viewing, care needs to be taken to ensure that any recording or subsequent educational use does not go beyond private non-commercial recording permitted by those terms and conditions.

 

Broadcast programme services delivered via the internet, where the provider or broadcaster offers a range of fixed viewing times for the viewer to select from, are not on-demand services and may be recorded.

 

Non-scheduled internet transmissions are not broadcasts and are not covered by the Licence.

 

Edited April 21, 2010 by Pumaedition
answered own question

[GrumbleDook]

Under ERA+ you can video the broadcast as it happens and then digitise it for use when required, but iPlayer has restrictions due to the general nature of the T&Cs which mean you cannot archive iPlayer content. Presently there is no way around this other than to video tape the original broadcast (or digitally record) it as it happens. The same restriction apply to content on ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 offerings.

 

You may purchase some of the content which is produced at a later date as a DVD and then use that DVD to show to the students under PVSL (you have to show the original DVD, not rip the DVD and show the mpeg).

[Gossy]

As more and more staff adjust their viewing habits to be using on demand services, it's becoming rarer for them to spot something they want us to record before it has broadcast. We're looking at just recording everything, keep for a few days and just keep what gets requested. We were going to do a DIY route at first, but have found an off the shelf setup called eStream that does exactly this in a very attractive package.

[RabbieBurns]

Does clickview live let you records programs as well as stream them?

 

ClickView Live | Watch TV, DVDs and VHS tapes via any computer in the school

 

edit: wrong thing, its this one:

 

http://www.clickview.co.uk/247/

[dhicks]

Does clickview live let you records programs as well as stream them?

 

Yes. I had a look at their system at the BETT show, and it seemed quite impressive - it can record 6 channels at the same time, storing all footage for a week or two ready for a teacher to come along and say "Can I get that program about cheese from BBC1 last Thursday...". It did seem a bit pricey for what is basically three TV receiver cards and some harddrives stuffed in to a case, so I'd look at making your own first.

 

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David Hicks

[Roberto]

We're looking at a package from OneLan for digital signage on our new campus, and one of the options they have included is for a digital PVR function that records all the TV channels you choose to receive for the past week or so on a "scratch" volume, and transfers any you want to keep to a library. The kit seems quite good from what I've seen far and the people are quite switched on and "aware" of the education market.

 

Can't comment on price as that's commercially sensitive data and we're also opting for a lot more than "just" the PVR components.

Edited June 1, 2010 by Roberto

[flyinghaggis]

Yes. I had a look at their system at the BETT show, and it seemed quite impressive - it can record 6 channels at the same time, storing all footage for a week or two ready for a teacher to come along and say "Can I get that program about cheese from BBC1 last Thursday...". It did seem a bit pricey for what is basically three TV receiver cards and some harddrives stuffed in to a case, so I'd look at making your own first.

 

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David Hicks

 

It is expensive but then again when you consider it's a neat all-in-one solution to be able to record 2 weeks worth of 6 channels, edit/store them indefinitely and play them back on any PC throughout the entire school the price tag isn't too bad IMO. Especially when you conisder that iplayer only lets you watch programs for a couple of weeks and educational videos/DVDs tend to be very expensive to buy aswell.

 

Worth mentioning that our teaching staff really like it aswell!

[joe90bass]

You may purchase some of the content which is produced at a later date as a DVD and then use that DVD to show to the students under PVSL (you have to show the original DVD, not rip the DVD and show the mpeg).

 

Apologies to OP for hijacking this thread and going a bit off track. We have recently been copying old tapes and DVDs to the network for staff to use in lessons, particularly tapes that are getting a bit worn! I've taken the view that as long as they have the original safely stored it's okay. But as time has gone on, (and reading Grumbledooks post) I'm wondering if I'm wrong on this....

I'm trying to find a definitive answer, but have not found one yet!

[GrumbleDook]

@joe90bass you are correct in thinking that this is not allowed. If you have an old resource which was purchased (and subsequently has copyright notices on, etc from a particular publisher) then the best you can do is to get in touch with that publisher and see if they have it in an alternative format or if they have any objection to you digitising it.

 

I know it is not the answer most people want (especially teachers who like these old but good resources and never considered having to purchase them again) but that's the way things are from all my conversations with publishers.

[RabbieBurns]

Just out of interest, is there a case on record of a school being charged with breach of copyright (that wasnt software related) ?

[Chillibear]

For those interested there is a growing collection of short video resources taken from (mainly Leaning Zone transmissions) BBC progs here: BBC - Learning Zone Broadband Class Clips - Homepage

 

If memory servers the Brit Uni Film and Video council (British Universities Film & Video Council) have been recording material under their ERA license for years, so other than the issues around supplying material on physical media (read the ERA docs for full details) they might have much of the material you are after, although I don't know what they might charge for access. The other half remembered resource I think was JISC (JISC : Supporting education and research), I think they have an account with BBC Worldwide's Motion Gallery (generally a bit expensive for most schools) for access to footage, so worth asking if your LEA is part of that. Sorry I can't remember the details!

[GrumbleDook]

Just out of interest, is there a case on record of a school being charged with breach of copyright (that wasnt software related) ?

 

Yes, ranging from the prevention of school plays going ahead due to injunctions through to schools having to pay companies for use of stock images they did not have the right to use on their website. Frequently settled out of court ...

[Chillibear]

Further to that you should speak to the BBC for a definitive answer, since none of us (TMK) are lawyers.

 

Thought I'd bat a quick mail over to their support addresses asking if I could use iPlayer within a teaching context in a UK state school, this was the response:

 

"I understand you’d like to be able to show a BBC programme from BBC iPlayer in a state school.

You may show programmes from BBC iPlayer within the allotted time period and as long as it is not used for commercial use."

 

A positive start I'd say, given the T&C seem to suggest only personal usage.