Public sector employees to get ripped off, again

[localzuk]

BBC News - Darling raises National Insurance in pre-Budget report

 

1% increment cap from 2011 for 2 years. So, effectively, those people who effectively got pay cuts in the last few years due to below RPI pay increases will be stuck on lower than they should be pay.

 

Not only that, but he's capping the only thing that people could ever turn around and say was a major perk for us - our pensions contributions by the local govt.

 

This idea that the broadest shoulders will bear most of the costs is nonsense - these sort of changes affect the many low paid local government employees a lot more.

[Guest richard_s]

Makes me glad that I am no longer in the public sector.

[Guest Guest]

Makes me glad that I am no longer in the public sector.

 

Makes me glad ive only got a year left here before the managed service comes in. Hopefully get TUPEd into a job with a career path and will be taking my pension out as a nice lumper.

[cookie_monster]

It's a disaster really but a pay cap is probably the only way to avoid mass redundancy in the public sector, the treasury really is on its knees.

The government (this one and the last one) really only have themselves to blame for allowing the banks to run riot. I think the whole bonus thing is a bit annoying but a vote winning non issue the issue was banks lending endless money to people who couldn't repay it. , then the treasury having to bail them out to make sure rich people got their money back.

[mossj]

Makes me glad that I am no longer in the public sector.

 

This... (sorry)

[teejay]

Yeah, not only that but National Insurance goes up 0.5% as well

Yes it is only for those on 20k and above, but that is well below the national average wage, so their argument that they are just taxing the rich is complete rubbish.

[somabc]

Is there a definition anywhere of what is and is not in the public sector? Surely not everybody in the public sector is included otherwise it would include RBS

 

BBC News had a nice animation of the £90 billion a year shortfall, you have 3 options you can either reduce public spending (severely reduce it, unpopular) or raise taxes (basic tax rate would need to double to 40%, VERY UNPOPULAR) or just keep borrowing money and spending as if nothing is wrong (the bury your head in the sand approach).

 

Looks like the governement have chose option 3.

Edited December 9, 2009 by somabc

[sparkeh]

I am sick of this country. Reckless bankers who screwed this country over so we have pump billions of public money into the banks wrecking the public finances are still being paid bonuses in vast excess of what most people earn whilst the lowest paid workers who toil away doing jobs that are important for the common good but not recognised are shafted again.

 

Great, aren't we clever

Seriously thinking about leaving.

[cookie_monster]

Yeah, not only that but National Insurance goes up 0.5% as well

Yes it is only for those on 20k and above, but that is well below the national average wage, so their argument that they are just taxing the rich is complete rubbish.

 

 

 

It should really of been £25-30+. At the end of the day the government knows that the poor don't have ways to avoid paying taxes like the rich so you collect more revenue.

[localzuk]

Seriously thinking about leaving.

 

It has rekindled my desire to do this too.

[torledo]

It should really of been £25-30+. At the end of the day the government knows that the poor don't have ways to avoid paying taxes like the rich so you collect more revenue.

 

i hope your not suggesting that £25-30+ is the territory of the rich.

[torledo]

Is there a definition anywhere of what is and is not in the public sector? Surely not everybody in the public sector is included otherwise it would include RBS

 

But RBS are covered with the Bonus tax. And it may be the bonus tax will be felt a lot further down the chain in the banks on those who are not on six figure salaries.

[cookie_monster]

i hope your not suggesting that £25-30+ is the territory of the rich.

 

 

No way but it's where I think you can realistically start to get by, anything below that and you're pretty poor. £20k it a bit too low. Like I say though the government know they can actually get tax out of these people.

[tech_guy]

Well, the Labour Party aint gonna get re-elected now and golden spoon boy Cameron and his cronies will show us all how to really feck things up.

[cookie_monster]

Well, the Labour Party aint gonna get re-elected now and golden spoon boy Cameron and his cronies will show us all how to really feck things up.

 

 

If they can outperform labour I'll be very surprised. It's time for the third way, why we keep letting the same two parties spend alternating terms undoing the others work is beyond me.

[Tallwood_6]

I'll take a pay freeze to jobless any day of the week and lets face it as much as i dislike labour when and not if the conservatives get in all our necks will be on the block because they sure as hell aren't going to look at reducing the number of teaching staff in schools ohh no.

[garethEds]

Maybe it's time for Wales to go alone - fully alone and let Plaid Cymru run our affairs and not those muppets in London.

 

GJE

[Theblacksheep]

If they can outperform labour I'll be very surprised. It's time for the third way, why we keep letting the same two parties spend alternating terms undoing the others work is beyond me.

 

They did before, 15% interest etc.

 

Each one takes a turn at leveraging more money from the public and using state money, services or resources to prop up private business. One step forward two steps back.... here we go again.

[cookie_monster]

Maybe it's time for Wales to go alone - fully alone and let Plaid Cymru run our affairs and not those muppets in London.

 

GJE

 

 

 

Unfortunately I think we would all be allot worse off in general without London and I include anywhere north of Watford in that as well. We're in for a rough ride but the 'city' will soon be back bringing in mega cash lets not forget up until before the problems they we're bringing in about 30% of GDP.

In the long term though the focus of wealth generation needs to move from being focused in London, the problem is that for outside investors it's the obvious choice.

 

The future is the EU, once they've let me clean it up

[JJonas]

i hope your not suggesting that £25-30+ is the territory of the rich.

 

25-30K would have me buying Champagne every week!

[broc]

The reality is the pay cap announcement is just smoke & mirrors politics; the Govt are under pressure to 'limit' public spending, a public sector pay cap will be viewed as a popular move by the private sector.

 

Truth is we were never going to get a generous pay rise next year, or the year after anyway.... so the pay cap is 'spin' to keep the private sector happy. Look what we got last year... this year.... so next year & the year after is more of the same.

 

At least they have not announced a public sector pay cut like the Irish did, and there is no immediate threat of mass redundancies....

[telnet]

If the government are looking for ways to reduce national debt, then why not pull out of our current (and unnecessary) conflicts abroad? How many billions a week do we waste on useless wars...

[srochford]

The Sun front page claims that the PBR increases tax for 10 million people ("Darling screws more people than Tiger Woods")

 

I don't know if that's true but, if it is, that means tax is the same or less for nearly 20 million people (28.93 million people in employment in September 2009; National Statistics Online)

 

If he'd move the threshold to (say) £25,000 it would affect fewer people which means there's less tax income so instead of a 0.5% rise perhaps you need a 1% rise and so on.

[torledo]

The reality is the pay cap announcement is just smoke & mirrors politics; the Govt are under pressure to 'limit' public spending, a public sector pay cap will be viewed as a popular move by the private sector.

 

Truth is we were never going to get a generous pay rise next year, or the year after anyway.... so the pay cap is 'spin' to keep the private sector happy. Look what we got last year... this year.... so next year & the year after is more of the same.

 

At least they have not announced a public sector pay cut like the Irish did, and there is no immediate threat of mass redundancies....

 

i don't see much signs of them limited public spending overall inspite of the pressure, isn't it just the case that as they dampen down wage increases they increase capital spending above the rate of inflation in some cases. Those increases not matched [nowhere near] by so-called efficiency savings.

 

Just strikes me as they've got public spending priorities the wrong way round. But then, as you say it's politiking to appease private sector employees where overall wage inflation is or has been lower than in the public sector.....over the course of the recession atleast.

[ahuxham]

Touch my money and die. That's the end of that argument.

 

And as far as I'm aware the whole issue was revoked earlier this morning, or later last night. Pre Budget wasn't final, more a feeler to see how angry the interweb would get if he suggested it.

 

And as previous said earlier, limiting national debt can be done other ways. I know we have national commitments abroad, with wars and support and the likes, but this can be reduced.

 

Not to mention the yearly national debt to commonwealth citizens, where every government gets 12p per person.

 

This includes all commonwealth citizens; South Africa with a population of 48,687,000 = £5,842,440 a year to support, issue's like these need to be addressed, they wanted independence, they can now have it.

 

2005 estimate shows Commonwealth population around: 1,921,974,000 which in turn = £230,636,880 a year.

 

Which compared to Cookie_Monsters showing on MOD expenses being in Iraq and Afghanistan comes in just under £2billion. Hell of a cost.

Edited December 11, 2009 by witch