gaz350 Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 ICT Technician – Apprenticeship Fixed term appointment for one year in the first instance To commence November 2009 Salary will be between £6,890 and £9,322pa, This post is to support and maintain hardware and software and help teachers to use ICT in the classroom. You will undertake a formal Level 1 Apprenticeship qualification. Hours are 37 per week, worked Monday to Friday For an application form and job description please contact the college on 01572 722286 or visit Catmose College : vacancies for more information about the post and the college.
Jiser Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) Yey just above 3.50 an hour. Still I bet it has loads of applications. Edited October 10, 2009 by witch
gaz350 Posted October 9, 2009 Author Posted October 9, 2009 normal apprenticeship wage is £95 a week or about 4.5kpa so its not that bad!
Jiser Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Do it on the cheap, easy labour to do the rubbish jobs - like toner changes and imaging. Pay peanuts and you get monkeys.
dwhyte85 Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 I disagree with pay peanuts and get monkeys, we all start somewhere! Probably better in someways to learn whilst working, i hated learning at uni and never putting to a real world situation. If the apprentice is 16 and sticks at it for 5/6 years higher education/uni length they're going to be in a great position compared to a grad - by then hopefully gaining some professional accreditations along the way.
Jiser Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 I disagree with pay peanuts and get monkeys, we all start somewhere! Probably better in someways to learn whilst working, i hated learning at uni and never putting to a real world situation. If the apprentice is 16 and sticks at it for 5/6 years higher education/uni length they're going to be in a great position compared to a grad - by then hopefully gaining some professional accreditations along the way. Perhaps. Still get a monkey though. Degree is for life and there are nice grad schemes about which pay hell of alot and have defined career structure. I agree with the apprenticeship scheme g0ood idea. Should include professional I.T. quals training with it though.
Guest theeldergeek Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Perhaps. Still get a monkey though Why will they? Surely they'll get a youngster keen to learn and progress into a fully fledged IT career? We all know how hard it is to get into an IT position when all you've done (albeit brilliantly) is fix the neighborhoods computers. This job might be poorly paid, but hopefully, it will only attract those for whom it is a genuine interest and be a step on the ladder. FWIW, I used to co-manage one of the largest UK based help desks (European wide) and none of the technical support staff (of which there were 18) were degree qualified, all had what I would call 'core' field work or previous tech 'sport jobs. I had degree applicants when filling the vacancies, but you cannot substitute raw experience with paper say-so, so no degree applicant was employed. In fact, from memory, I seem to recall they were all a waste of space. Just my opinion (and perhaps experience) on this matter, but that's not to say all degree grads can be tarred with the same brush, I'm sure some excel in their chosen fields.
GrumbleDook Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Perhaps. Still get a monkey though. Degree is for life and there are nice grad schemes about which pay hell of alot and have defined career structure. I agree with the apprenticeship scheme g0ood idea. Should include professional I.T. quals training with it though. 'Tis a level 1 apprenticeship ... it is a good starting point and the apprentice can pick up a heck of a lot very quickly ... often meaning that when they get onto the formal quals they are ahead of the game and pick things up very quickly. It is also a good way of them picking up life skills too ... learning how to manage their time, work in a team, follow instructions and then develop ideas of their own. Best of luck to them.
FN-GM Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 £3.50 an hour, isnt that below minimum wadge? Anyway, i thought it was agreed we wouldn't discuss poor pay like this?
Boon72 Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 as an apprenticeship it seems to get exempt from the minimum wage
dwhyte85 Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 When I took mine at VW to become a mechanic we were paid nearly the same, all my training was paid for and all travel to and from the college in Bristol from Heathrow, they looked after me very well as they wanted to keep me... unfortunately it wasn't for me. Apprenticeships are a great thing if done correctly, as long as the apprentice has access to learning they will have something to boost them if they decide to leave and if they decide to stay hopefully more access to development. As for grads vs experience... I graduated with many people who could do very little on a computer, turned up to few lectures & practicals and came out with 2:1s and 1st class degrees - it's amazing how many people turn up at graduation you've never seen before on your exact same course. Looking back if i had access to an IT based apprenticeship i'd have jumped at it! I've worked with guys who were very intelligent leaving school at 16 who are now in far better paying positions than myself and i'm not ashamed to admit with far more knowledge in certain areas & i've worked with grads from top 30 unis who can't do simple tasks like change a toner with direction... but that's going OT. Best of luck to whoever applies for the job, good starting point.
Kitkatninja Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 Not a bad wage for an apprentice, considering that you can go up to a NVQ 4* on an apprenticeship (which is comparable to a degree, not to be confused with a level 4 qual on the NQF, as the NVQ is based on the old framework so covers levels 4-6 on the new framework). To earn a degree level qualification and not be in debt of £kkk's of pounds, is a very good idea imo. -Ken *dependant on your training provider (the one we use goes up to NVQ 4 in IT)
Nausey Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 Don't mean to be stirring trouble up but I got more than that when I was working at a retail store and being an ICT tech is a lot more stressful. Ah well.
f21970 Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 I would imaging this would be a good option for a young person rather than doing a level 1 at college and getting £30 EMA for it. There aren't enough apprenticeships around, so don't cast apersions!!
kmount Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 Anyway, i thought it was agreed we wouldn't discuss poor pay like this? Indeed, that was my belief but it does seem that most adverts which attract discussion seem to be centric to pay when we all know that different areas, different jobs, different circumstances command different levels of pay. Whether we like it or not. Don't mean to be stirring trouble up but I got more than that when I was working at a retail store and being an ICT tech is a lot more stressful. Ah well. Was your retail position an apprenticeship and give you a qualification at the end of it? If not, it's not a fair comparison.
dwhyte85 Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 (edited) Don't mean to be stirring trouble up but I got more than that when I was working at a retail store and being an ICT tech is a lot more stressful. Ah well. Very true but other than in-store health & safety, learning the specifics of that retail store you probably wont get a formal qual from it. If you're chasing money (it's very difficult not to) it probably is very tempting to work in a shop as opposed to undertake an apprenticeship. I would look at it as on-site learning as opposed to a job, you wont be expected to re-write Windows ME nor construct a network by yourself but you may get to watch how people do tougher tasks and will learn how to do things by doing as opposed to by reading, it may suit the less academic better - we're not all gods of math & furthermore some people just don't like being educated in schools & colleges. People often wonder the best way to get into IT - this would certainly be it, doing quals through training providers with no prior knowledge (or job in IT) is absolutely useless unless you put it into your daily routine of work. Yes, you do have to do some lame jobs - but so do I as a manager, so does my senior technicians and so does my LM... that's a given in any job... I wonder how many sales teams like outbound calls and continual rejections, I wonder how many sales staff in a shop like getting a beasting over a dented can of beans? I do agree, ICT is very stressful, schools are very much a nightmare it's continually busy throughout the day during term time, i guess this can be compared to shops with holidays/xmas/last minute buyers on a Sunday? I guess the other issue is progression, not many shops will have such a potentially varied path, IT apprentice doesn't mean you need to work in support in 5 years - you may find your ability is programming, systems administration or web design :-) Edited October 10, 2009 by dwhyte85
craig88 Posted October 15, 2009 Posted October 15, 2009 This is an amazing opportunity. I wish I had of been able to do something like this, instead of going to college. You learn so much more in a job role, than a college/uni environment. I’d say I’ve learnt more in 7 months working as an IT Tech then I did in 3 years of studying ICT at college. Also when finishing 3 years of studying IT, I found it so hard to get a job, as I had no real experience in the field. Which is exactly what you are gaining from a job like this. Anyone who wants to become and IT Tech, grab this opportunity.
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