Internet based homework

[localzuk]

We have had a couple of teachers assign homework in school that requires them to use the internet (eg. 'look up XYZ online, write a short report on it').

 

What are people's opinions on this? Should schools be doing this or not?

 

I can see both sides of the argument:

 

For:

 

The internet is an excellent resource for homework! With the introduction of VLEs even more so now than it was a few years ago.

Electronic transfer of work saves paper

 

Against:

 

It's discriminatory against poorer families (or those families that choose not to have a computer/internet access).

Cheating can happen.

 

My personal response to the discriminatory aspect of it is that schools now have lots of computers, available during lunchtimes and after school, our local library has computers for people to use too. So they have plenty of access to them.

 

What do people think? Have we hit that point where it can be expected that people will do internet based homework?

[witch]

This has also come up re the VLE as pupils will do a lot more on line with it and parents will be able to access their child's records etc - but not if they don't have computers, never mind broadband.

Apparently according to SWGfL, about 70% of people have access to broadband, and it is up to the school to find out who has not and make provision, as you say, for the children to access computers in schools.

Our local high school does maths homework on line and the site manager was just saying that no one had checked to see if his son had access at home...(he doesn't but then his dad has access to two IT suites!)

If a teacher can't or won't check the access situation, I don't think the homework should be so specific - after all, you can still look up things in books!

Mind you, if you went to a library to do this you could use the internet there - it is free around here.

[elsiegee40]

My belief is that it is OK to set homework requiring the internet, as long as the school makes sure that there is adequate provision for pupils to be able to use school computers in breaks, lunchtimes and before/after school.

 

If that cannot be done, homework requiring a computer should not be set.

 

This subject has just come up at the school where I am a governor and, even though there is good out-of-hours availability of computers to pupils, it has been decided by the SMT that the school's policy is not to set homework requiring the internet.

[plexer]

Our argument is the same that internet is available in libraries etc.. allthough I still think it would be a good idea to find out how many students have internet access at home.

 

Ben

[EvLPhenom]

I think it has come to a point where most people presume that almost everyone has the internet at home and even if they dont it is expected that said students would have access to the internet pretty easily with the amount of computers in schools and availability of computers in the community i.e. libraries and family and friends.

 

To be honest i think the positives will out weigh the negatives and i think students today would almost certainly rather use the internet to find facts and info out rather than trawl through a book.

[Hightower]

What gets me is alot of families that are classed as poor can afford things like mobile phones and even Sky tv, but can't afford something that is going to help their childrens education.

[Geoff]

We have a bunch of computers in our library. Which is open for kids to use for a little while before/after school + breaks + lunch.

 

Additionally we helped provide some computers + broadband to the 'drop in centre' at the local council estate. So the kids there can get online in the evenings (under supervision).

[SteveBentley]

Leaving aside the social aspects, pedagogically I'd tend to say that "look up XYZ and cross reference a variety of sources" is a much more valid piece of work and will probably require a visit to the library for all students rather than just the few without internet access at home.

 

The assignment as presented is an invitation to take a wikipedia article on XYZ and rewrite it in your own words. The slightly more discerning student might take a look at the references on the wikipedia piece and quote a few relevant chunks from those.

[Hightower]

To add to what Steve said - I was always told (and still am) at Uni that research should never be undertaken on the internet. It should always be done through books because then you can verify that it is fact rather than a load of gobbeldy gook someone made up.

[plexer]

Just becuase it's in a book doesn't mean that it isn't just someone else rantings in print.

 

The key with internet research and any other research is cross referencing with multiple sources to confirm the accuracy of the information.

 

Especially with wikipedia.

 

Ben

[CyberNerd]

We have had a couple of teachers assign homework in school that requires them to use the internet (eg. 'look up XYZ online, write a short report on it').

 

What are people's opinions on this? Should schools be doing this or not?

 

Well thats the technique I used for my degree, it didn't do me any harm. Of course I used libraries, texts and lecture notes as well

[SteveBentley]

To add to what Steve said - I was always told (and still am) at Uni that research should never be undertaken on the internet. It should always be done through books because then you can verify that it is fact rather than a load of gobbeldy gook someone made up.

 

Well here (I work at a Uni) the general advice is yes, use the internet, but verify the material. I know the library here are keen to make the distinction between using the internet to access good reference sources (online copies of journals, industry body websites, newspaper archives) and some random blog.

 

Have to say I was slightly shocked when, shortly after starting here after graduating, I was first let into the secret of what this kind of exercise is known as - they call it a FOFO... ":censored: Off and Find Out"

[theriver]

Hi

 

For people who set this kind of homework, what monitoring of access to resources do you have in place?

 

Would it be appropriate to ensure that people for whom school is the only access they have to the Internet/VLE have preferential access to those resources?

 

What of impact in areas outide the curriculum? If kids are having to do their homework at lunchtime or just after school, this surely interferes with their ability to take part in clubs and societies. They are unable to take part in these 'extension' activities because they're busy keeping up.

 

Also, we're suggesting that Internet-based HOMEwork could become more common, and that if kids don't have access at home, then they can go to the library . . . . Are we happy with the implication of this, that a child may have to *routinely* travel across town to the library and then spend potentially long periods of time there working?

 

None of this is opinion, just trying to widen the debate.

 

karl

[SteveBentley]

Is expecting a student to travel to the library to consult "dead tree" based resources significantly different to expecting them to travel there to consult electronic ones?

[Geoff]

For people who set this kind of homework, what monitoring of access to resources do you have in place?

 

What kind of monitoring did you have in mind? We use moodle here. It keeps 'statistics' which is a general view of the courses usage then you can dive into the logs and see what a paticular user did for example.

 

The only time we've really used this functionality is to catch a kid out lying. Saying he had been on the course and got a document when in fact he never even enrolled...

 

Would it be appropriate to ensure that people for whom school is the only access they have to the Internet/VLE have preferential access to those resources?

 

Wouldn't that be discrimination? Surely it would be better to just buy more terminals?

 

What of impact in areas outide the curriculum? If kids are having to do their homework at lunchtime or just after school, this surely interferes with their ability to take part in clubs and societies. They are unable to take part in these 'extension' activities because they're busy keeping up.

 

Seems to me that's a personal time management issue. Something that the kids should be taught in school anyway (we do it in Tutor group lessons IIRC).

[IrritableTech]

We have a fairly small amount of 'open access' computers, and it's something I want to address. What few we have are in our library and can be used before, during and after school.

 

Our pupils can use the same usernames and passwords at the local libraries to access the internet for free.

 

The LEA have also supplied laptops to some families. These have been provided with a GPRS dongle, and an agreement has been setup with orange. They authenticate through the LEAs proxies, and therefore they get the same filtering / monitoring as if they were in school.

 

Having said all that... I would still stress to our staff that an alternative to online resources should always be offered.

[grumpy_git]

We've recently increased the number of "open access" terminals - there's now a room full of them. It's mainly used by 6th form, but other students use it especially at break, lunch and after school.

 

As for access to them, at lunchtime there's a room full of open access machines (58), plus 24 in the library, and 80 in three IT rooms which are opened. That's 162 machines, for about 1,200 students, never had any problems with access other than on coursework deadline day - we liase with departments and open up extra rooms at this time anyway.

[witch]

Is this 'open access' always supervised? Our problem is that the IT coord and I aren't always around to supervise children in the IT suites and we do not allow access if there isn't a teacher (or me) present as we have had too much trouble in the past. So letting pupils use the computers because they don't have access at home would mean a teacher giving up his or her lunchtime or making other, costly arrangements.

[K.C.Leblanc]

Here's a robust response, why don't your teachers just leave it up to the students to decide what research source to use. Most of the students will use the internet, and the backward ones can find their own way.

 

I don't want to sound like the daily mail, but every library gives internet access, and I PC costs less now then a decent TV cost 5 years ago.

Edited November 8, 2008 by K.C.Leblanc

[russdev]

The issue is far reaching one not only got to take social issue of poorer families not having access but also number of students might not have access due to 'religious' grounds as parents feel internet is not appropriate in the religious context of the family.

 

But as school as long as got after school/lunch time access then this fine. The whole one-to-one computer access schemes that are running have number of things that need to be thought about best example i have seen of a one-to-one scheme is the notschool.net scheme.

[leco]

best example i have seen of a one-to-one scheme is the notschool.net scheme.

 

That sounds interesting, is it for excluded pupils or just disenfranchised ones?