LosOjos Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Anybody know if these have to be downloaded from somewhere other than K2S now? I'd usually expect them to be available by now!
Mirmo Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 On the NCA tools website. Pupil results at top after login.
Shakster007 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Does anybody have any idea how to go about arriving at a single level for KS2 English? I don't know what method my school used last year. But then there was no SPAG last year. How are others doing KS4 target setting?
Emm Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Try this tool by Ben Fuller at Herts for Learning Ltd. It enables you to calculate sub-levels and fine grades from the results. All instructions and info should be on the first tab... Anything you are not sure about, let me know and I'll do my best to explain. I have found the SSAT Data Managers forum invaluable for working KS2 levels out this year. You can download it here: Ow.ly - ks2_2014_marks_fine_levels.xls uploaded by @hertsassessment
Jenis Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Just to add to Emm's post, you can access all of Ben's KS2 calculators over the years here: HGfL: Teaching & Learning: Assessment: Attainment Data They've been absolutely invaluable to me.
LosOjos Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 @Mirmo - thanks very much! I wish they'd make up their minds as to where these things will be available; what happened to the central system they promised? Months of development, millions of pounds* and we end up with what amounts to 3 links to the original websites that are still as fragmented as ever! * may or may not be an exaggeration!
Emm Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Sorry Shakester 007 - forgot to mention our KS4 Target Setting. We are moving away from FFT as we need to ensure as a Grammar School that our students make 4lop from KS2 to the end of KS4. We expect 2lop during KS3 (Y7-9 here) and a further 2lop during Y10-11. Basically if the student entered on a level 4 we would expect him/her to leave on a B, level 5 - A and level 6 - A* across all subjects. Students aspirational targets are one grade higher (5lop). Hope this helps. Would be interested to hear what everything else does.
gazskeltz Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Hi Emm, In FFT (can't remember exactly where) you can show Expected Progress Grade (EP) and Better than Expected Progress Grade (BEP) This may help? Regards Gaz
mark80 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 I see fine marks calculator puts a L6 at a flat 6b. Should this be the case or should it have the 6c & 6a available? I noticed for our current Y7's on FFT that they do differentiate 6c, 6b, 6a.
Shakster007 Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Thanks all for the fantastic responses. I'm probably being thick, but how are you arriving at a single level for English? Averaging reading & writing? Also, how to get an average fine-level for maths & English? I was thinking of going backwards from the average APS. I think whoever did this at my school last year just used some ad hoc method rather than any calculation. Or are you just using the test level? Emm In terms of target setting, we set some very challenging targets: 5 LP for L5; 4LP for L4a & 4b;3 LP for everyone else. Each department puts together a flight plan with the only caveat of a minimum of 2 LP from Y7-Y9 and pupils reaching their targets by KS4. Some subjects, where the central KS4 target is unrealistic, set their own targets. A recent Ofsted inspector really liked the differentiated aspect of these and teachers seem OK with them.
jrma91 Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Shakster, If you find an answer to the overall English level then I would be very grateful if you could let me know! As my head wants us to use 3lop Eng KS2 -> Eng GCSE, 3lop Maths KS2 -> Maths GCSE, then 3lop KS2 Average for all other subjects! And at the moment I can not work out how I managed to calculate this, amazing what you forget in a year! Regards, jrma91
Shakster007 Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Jrma91 Same here. I just used the spreadsheet from the link in an earlier post. I used the average APS of reading, writing and maths and converted to a sub level. I used the maths lookup but could have used English. I doubt that it's 100% accurate but it's the best I could come up with. Regards
ICTLady Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 Just wanted to say thanks, as always, to the fantastic DMs on here. just been looking for this info and remembered seeing it discussed here. Thanks particularly to @Emm and @Jenis for the link to the spreadsheet.
DataDB Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 We used student's Reading scores and then converted this to a Level for KS2 and based our LoP on this. However we now have parents asking why their son/daughter is on such a low target when in their Grammar and Punctuation they did so well. There seems to be a large number of students who have performed significantly better at the Grammar test than the Reading test. I'm not sure if we will now start doing an average of the reading and grammar score, from what I can gather there is no set way to do it, what is everyone else using? Thanks
LosOjos Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 @DataDB - we noticed that GPS is generally much higher than Reading, though we do have a few the opposite way around. There are very few cases for us where both levels are within a sublevel of each other. we have opted to average the two. Not ideal, but probably does lead to a more realistic target for LOP as we have many students who are for instance on a 3a for Reading, 5c for GPS, so a 4b is probably a realistic reflection of the student's ability. What we could really do with is some official guidance as to how the DfE are going to measure LOP - playing this guessing game is not helpful! While we're on the subject, how are you all calculating sublevels? I worked out the boundaries as best I could from our data (been unable to find official guidance) then simply split this up equally. These are the boundaries I'm using: Reading GPS 3c 12 25 3b 14 32 3a 17 38 4c 19 45 4b 23 48 4a 28 52 5c 32 55 5b 38 60 5a 44 65
DataDB Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 We use the following table for English, so the English Reading test result and then for Maths we use the total mark test result. I wasn't here last year but I have been advised they were given the look-up tables by an education consultant who came into the school. I think we maybe need to look at averaging the two values now though in order to get a more realistic value. English 1-10 N 11-13 3c 14-16 3b 17-18 3a 19-24 4c 25-30 4b 31-35 4a 36-40 5c 41-45 5b 46-50 5a Maths 1-14 N 15-17 2b 18-26 3c 27-35 3b 36-44 3a 45-56 4c 57-67 4c 68-78 4a 79-86 5c 87-93 5b 94-100 5a
Scotbynature Posted October 16, 2014 Author Posted October 16, 2014 This may be a bit of a noob question but how to you work out the grade for a Y7 pupil if they have been entered for the L6 tests? This is my first year of having to do the target setting and am struggling to find information on this. thanks in advance.
LosOjos Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 @Scotbynature - the thresholds are available here: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/key-stage-2-tests-past-papers When a student takes the Level 6 test, if they meet the L6 threshold then they get a Level 6, if they don't then you fall back to their standard test to work out their level (almost always a 5)
Scotbynature Posted October 17, 2014 Author Posted October 17, 2014 Thanks LosOjos, that's fantastic.
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