mavhc Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 What's the bet that they'll invent a 3rd settings program and only migrate half of the settings from PC Settings to it? While still leaving half of Control Panel behind too? Only been 6 years, you'd think they could have finished PC Settings by now, did the intern quit? 1
Arthur Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) Windows 11 leak reveals new UI, Start menu, and more Microsoft’s upcoming Windows 11 operating system has leaked online today. After screenshots were first published at Chinese site Baidu, the entire Windows 11 OS has appeared online, complete with a new user interface, Start menu, and lots more. The new Windows 11 user interface and Start menu look very similar to what was originally found in Windows 10X. Microsoft had been simplifying Windows for dual-screen devices, before canceling this project in favor of Windows 11. Visually, the biggest changes you’ll notice can be found along the taskbar. Microsoft has centered the app icons here, cleaned up the tray area, and included a new Start button and menu. Edited June 15, 2021 by Arthur
Steve21 Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) Windows 11 leak reveals new UI, Start menu, and more Isn't that sunvalley update for Win10? Edit - Sunvalley icons -> https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/20/21145157/microsoft-windows-10-new-icons-modern-release-update-apps Sunvalley taskbar/start menu -> https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/1/21310597/microsoft-windows-10-start-menu-design-new-alt-tab-features Sunvalley file exporer -> https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/24/22348639/microsoft-windows-10-file-explorer-new-icons-system-update Obviously no doubt all of these will be in Win11, but can't see anything "new" as such Steve Edited June 15, 2021 by Steve21
Arthur Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 Isn't that sunvalley update for Win10? Windows 11 apparently. https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1404843837726547971
Steve21 Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 Windows 11 apparently. https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1404843837726547971 Ninja'd my edit clarified my point above Steve
Arthur Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 Obviously no doubt all of these will be in Win11, but can't see anything "new" as such Yeah. No massive surprises unfortunately.
flyinghaggis Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) Isn't that sunvalley update for Win10? I kind of get why Microsoft might want to name it differently frrom Windows 10 but it does have echoes of Spinal Tap in trying to justify what constitutes a 'new' updated version of Windows. I like the moving of taskbar icons to the centre of the screen and the new UI looks nice. Merging Settings and Control Panel will be a welcome fix for an obvious kludge that should really have been sorted in time for Windows 10's release. Guess we'll find out more on the 24th! Edited June 15, 2021 by flyinghaggis
Norphy Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 So a centre aligned task bar, a slightly redesigned/even more ruined start menu, some redesigned icons and rounded corners? Be still my beating heart.
DrBeaker Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 Apologies if I've missed a thread. Windows 10, including Education and Enterprise editions, will be end of life in October 2025. Apparently 'Windows 11' will be announced this month. I personally welcome it, I've never been a fan of Windows 10. Hopefully with this next version of Windows they do a better job of removing unnecessary rubbish from the Education version right from the start. Really, really....REALLY wanted to love Windows 10. Whilst it's an improvement in a few ways e.g. snap windows to 4x tiles etc, it just seems to have been a experiment that has failed big-time. Scripts to remove crap e.g. Candy Crush that seems to be baked into the core of the OS Updates we seem to have very little control of (I know we can use WSUS etc) Removal of Control Panel etc forcing people into the Settings app, which just gives up in parts and loads the Control panel anyway lol Telemetry we don't know what data is being sent where etc. Just for a start ...
Michael Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 First impressions, looks/feels more like Mac: https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/leaked-windows-11-screenshots-start-menu
psydii Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 So.... with Windows Feature updates I just roll them out (with a bit of testing)... no need to get sign-off from SLT because its just an update to the sanctioned platform (Windows 10) But Windows 11? I can just see it now... that's going to need a business case. and a damn good one - "Windows 10 works 'just fine' thank you", "why rock the boat?" I can see the version number name change being a huge barrier to adoption in enterprises that already have demanded slower release cycles. If they are serious about the name, it is a massive misstep.
aicrd Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) Having tested and used the leaked build, I have mixed opinions. I joined it to my test domain and as expected, everything worked apart from start menu GPOs. I actually like the new style start menu however the fact that the taskbar is now 100% static is a bit disappointing. Thankfully, you can change the alignment of the start menu so it is centered to the left, as Windows 10 is. Control Panel still exists. Microsoft still have not finished removing it (At least not in this build, from May 2021). Internet Explorer is no longer an option and Edge is the only browser. So basically, dont expect this to be an upgrade from W10. It's gonna be a W7-10 all over again, new GPOs, management, etc. I fully expect this to be renamed to just "Windows" instead of the "Windows 11" indicated in the build. Or I hope so. 11 just sounds a bit naff.... Edited June 15, 2021 by aicrd 1
Jcx500 Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Will it coincide with Windows Server 2022, I wonder? I was thinking this .. , in my opinion no.
caffrey Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 You know what would be nice? For windows to split off, keep all the legacy for the old hangers on and a complete ground up new OS that comes pre hardened for newer hardware. They should just admit that their old codebase is just a dinosaur, they just seem to pile new code on top of old code like a house of cards, just to allow that backwards compatibility. Events of late should wake them up to a more secure os out of the box, never mind the shiny 1
Michael Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Thankfully, you can change the alignment of the start menu so it is centered to the left, as Windows 10 is. Control Panel still exists. Microsoft still have not finished removing it (At least not in this build, from May 2021). Internet Explorer is no longer an option and Edge is the only browser. Interesting - I had a feeling they would ditch IE completely. From this perspective it makes sense - new OS, no legacy browser. As you say, the Control Panel issue is something that should have been resolved with W11 from the start also.
Michael Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Just curious to know whether the new Start Menu is also XML based, or whether we can redirect and copy/paste shortcuts into it? Theoretically W11 should have its own ADMX store you can copy to a server, rather than wait for Microsoft to publish it online separately.
mdrabble Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 I can just hear end users when we have to roll it out Providing deployment and management doesn’t change dramatically I’ll happily listen to users complain how different it looks and how it will take them ages to work out where things are etc…..
TechMonkey Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Interesting - I had a feeling they would ditch IE completely. Is it completely ditched or just not visible to users? I mean there are still a lot of finance websites that use ActiveX plugins that need IE11.
localzuk Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Is it completely ditched or just not visible to users? I mean there are still a lot of finance websites that use ActiveX plugins that need IE11. They said they were dropping support entirely, and people should use the "Internet Explorer mode" in Edge.
jthompson Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 Looks fine. As I thought, some of the more pronounced UI changes are there to integrate touch, rather than having a distinct 'touch mode' bolted on as before. The degree to which Control Panel items will still be required remains to be seen, of course. I'm hoping that the Start menu pinned items will support grouping to aid with organising them (like with live tiles), but I suspect not. I've never found arbitrary grids of icons to be all that nice.
localzuk Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 So.... with Windows Feature updates I just roll them out (with a bit of testing)... no need to get sign-off from SLT because its just an update to the sanctioned platform (Windows 10) But Windows 11? I can just see it now... that's going to need a business case. and a damn good one - "Windows 10 works 'just fine' thank you", "why rock the boat?" I can see the version number name change being a huge barrier to adoption in enterprises that already have demanded slower release cycles. If they are serious about the name, it is a massive misstep. Isn't the business case the same as always - support for the old one will come to an end, and we all need to run supported (read "gets security updates") software to comply with our legal obligations? 1
jthompson Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 They said they were dropping support entirely, and people should use the "Internet Explorer mode" in Edge. That would mean that IE lives on then, really, just locked away from users behind some policies.
mavhc Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 What if we have apps on the right side of the taskbar, and add drives to the left side? And get rid of the menu bar and just use the mouse button to open the menu
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