tdk1069 Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 Hey all. I've used the SalamanderSoft tool to provision the CSVs for SDS, which looks like it has all worked OK. I can see the teachers,students and classes in Sections of SDS. The Sections have the correct Staff and students assigned but... When they log into Teams nothing is there. If I search for the teams in the teams admin console they aren't there, and listing groups shows them without Teams Status icons. Some staff seem to get them, we first thought it was just time but have had a test user leave teams open all day and nothing has appeared. Obviously everyone is trying to get it sorted in time for home working, but was wondering if any one had any idea what is going on? This sync was uploaded Sunday so assumed would have finished by now. Thanks!
supportman Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 If you've just done it now, wait 24hrs, it takes time to provision. When staff login it can take 5mins to show sometimes I've found as it needs to initialise once a teacher is logged in. You can always check it worked on the SDS dashboard or in the Office 365 portal "member of groups" on the users page.
tdk1069 Posted March 11, 2020 Author Posted March 11, 2020 Thanks, we did the sync Sunday so would have expected it to be complete by now. The teacher account we are testing with has been logged in on a computer behind us since this morning and still no groups appeared. SDS Dashboard shows all teachers with classes assigned.
supportman Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 Thanks, we did the sync Sunday so would have expected it to be complete by now. The teacher account we are testing with has been logged in on a computer behind us since this morning and still no groups appeared. SDS Dashboard shows all teachers with classes assigned. When you look at all the groups in the Office 365 portal, are there ones with section* in their names? Those will be the SDS created teams groups. You should also see them when editing a user in the "group membership" list.
tdk1069 Posted March 11, 2020 Author Posted March 11, 2020 Yep they are all there in groups with section_*... only a handful have a teams icon mind under Team Status Editing a user, I can see the groups listed under their memberships as well
supportman Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 Yep they are all there in groups with section_*... only a handful have a teams icon mind under Team Status Editing a user, I can see the groups listed under their memberships as well Cool that means its done, make sure teams is licensed and activated properly is probably your next step.
tdk1069 Posted March 11, 2020 Author Posted March 11, 2020 Microsoft Teams is ticked under their Faculty licence (Just checked to make sure) Dumb question, how would check it is activated ?
supportman Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 Microsoft Teams is ticked under their Faculty licence (Just checked to make sure) Dumb question, how would check it is activated ? https://admin.teams.microsoft.com/policies/messaging
TechMonkey Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 And be aware it can take around 6 hours for policies to apply if you do them via Powershell. Not that I'm bitter about banging my head against that issue most of the day.
tdk1069 Posted March 11, 2020 Author Posted March 11, 2020 Yeah it's activated. Someone from MS called me back. 40 mins into the call he's discovered all of our groups are created but the team hasn't been created automatically, about 20% have been made and assigned. Rest are just stuck at being a group stage. I don't fancy clicking create team for the rest but he's looking at thing at the moment lol
1TF0rward Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 Yeah it's activated. Someone from MS called me back. 40 mins into the call he's discovered all of our groups are created but the team hasn't been created automatically, about 20% have been made and assigned. Rest are just stuck at being a group stage. I don't fancy clicking create team for the rest but he's looking at thing at the moment lol Do you mind keeping me updated as I am in the exact same boat! I have opened a support request but I can't find a way to convert them. I tried using -RetainCreatedGroup which makes it try created a team from that group but it doesn't accept true as false is the default. I am looking at using GroupID to convert groups to teams but it's a bit of a faff!
tdk1069 Posted March 11, 2020 Author Posted March 11, 2020 Off the phone from MS now. he 'found' clicking the group and clicking create teams worked... But now he understands I don't want to create teams 400 times ! Bless him. he got there in the end. I was about to take a look see if I can powershell something, fell over at the first step trying to get unifiedgroups of only the section_* but not going to get much time tonight to look at it. I did googlefu this https://www.undocumented-features.com/2019/04/19/bulk-converting-office-365-groups-to-teams/ but that will convert everything! Will look to filter it tomorrow
1TF0rward Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 I am looking at that now. Think we need to use Connect-ExchangeOnline. I will let you know my findings.
tdk1069 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) This is what I ended up with, I've checked the first handful of one's it says it has converted and they are now teams. Occasionally I get an error, but when I manually check the group it appears to be a class with no owner or no members atall which I can't convert via the webUI either so I'll not worry about that. Or that the team has been created already but it mostly skips. It's not pretty.... I'm Sure it can be tidied up, sped up or something. but it's working here. As with everything of 'da net' yadda yaddas... $Allonlinegroups = get-group -ResultSize Unlimited $SDSGroups = $Allonlinegroups|Where-Object {$_.Name -like 'Section_*'} $Allteams = get-team # This took ages on our setup foreach ($Group in $SDSGroups) { $id = $Group.Id.SubString($Group.Identity.lastIndexOf("_")+1) If (!($Allteams.GroupId -match $id)) { Write-Host "Converting $($Group.Displayname) - $($id)" New-Team -Group $id } } Edit: 637 groups converted. 20 or so failed, but they also fail in the webui to convert so I expect they are different issue. Edited March 12, 2020 by tdk1069
chazzy2501 Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 this salamander tool sounds great, I have SIMS what is the catch.?
ITGuyNW Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 Would this Salamander tool/SDS work with an onsite hosted SIMS and AD? or is it hosted SIMS/Azure only?
tdk1069 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Posted March 12, 2020 https://www.salamandersoft.co.uk/free-utilities/salamander-for-school-data-sync/ It says it works with cloud sims as well as onsite (Our's is onsite, i think I read somewhere if you are cloud you have to run it on the gateway machine?) we had to do a little data cleansing in sims itself, with emails as there were some mistakes. And swapping some staff from work email's being set as home, but that was about it. It's been my case going forward to get full Salamander here to make lives easier !
River Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 We were already using Salamander with iSAMS for various thing such as creating student AD accounts. This week we got them to use SDS to create our classes as teams. Thoroughly recommend them as they make my life so much easier!
ITGuyNW Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 We were already using Salamander with iSAMS for various thing such as creating student AD accounts. This week we got them to use SDS to create our classes as teams. Thoroughly recommend them as they make my life so much easier! What was the cost? If you don't mind me asking..
tdk1069 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Posted March 12, 2020 It's on their website, Single school details Schools with 500 pupils or more on roll £999 + VAT Per Annum plus a £400 + VAT Remote Installation fee Schools with less than 500 pupils on roll £500 + VAT Per Annum plus a £250 + VAT Remote Installation fee Groups and trusts. Contact them. We are an RM school so slightly limited in what we can do with provisioning. But even just having 365 Groups done is a godsend, and it does seem to have a lot more as well.
woodham Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) our looks the same so following this closely Salamander rocks we use it , i think this is more a ms issue than Sal but they are looking at it for me Edited March 12, 2020 by woodham
tdk1069 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Posted March 12, 2020 The gentleman from microsoft called me back this morning and was about to effectively walk me through copying and pasting the groupIDs of all the missing groups and running new-team on them all. I had to stop him as I had already ran the previous script which did that. Defiantly a MS problem, was in no way whatsoever trying to imply it was a Salamander issue!!. The only comment I managed to get out of the MS Rep was 'You do have an awful lot of teams' and implied it was a large amount of data to process. I'm curious how many people have now! we are ~650 sections/classes as a Senior school
supportman Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 Both Salamander and Ruler.co.uk do SDS for free I believe. Its just a CSV file at the end of the day.
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