phreak Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 Imma going for Ayra, but wearing Jon's face; condemned to a life that isn't her own to save Westeros. Ha ha. I said this exact same thing around the office. As she wanted neither title nor power, but as she will probably be present when Jon kills Dani (and gets killed in the process), she would see there was no alternative unless she wanted the 7 kingdoms to dissolve into chaos. Just one mans guess mind you. I suppose though in "reality" nobody is going to sit on the Iron throne as it is buried under a few hundred tonnes of rubble.
PlantHead Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 The way the writing of the series has been declining, my guess is that Ned Stark wakes up from a dream and fade to credits.
TronXP Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 The way the writing of the series has been declining, my guess is that Ned Stark wakes up from a dream and fade to credits. No No, Bran wakes up after falling out of the window in season 1 realizing it was all a dream... I would love it to happen just to see the internet carnage 1
AJWhite1970 Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 No No, Bran wakes up after falling out of the window in season 1 realizing it was all a dream... I would love it to happen just to see the internet carnage I thought that only happened if you took a shower...? #showsage #askyourparents 1
sonofsanta Posted May 17, 2019 Posted May 17, 2019 Course, it could be that no-one will sit the Iron Throne, and Dany will melt it down and f%!k off over the horizon on her dragon and there'll be some form of Parliament takes over instead. She said she wanted to break the wheel... GoT spoilers online are doing my head in. Everyone online was really good about Endgame! Really cautious and understanding that some people won't see it for a week! But I'm at the point where I just have to stay off social media entirely on Monday after GoT. I've got every character name and every possible hashtag and every phrase I can think of muted on Twitter, and yet still I'm seeing something every single week. It's hard not to feel like it's a very US-centric sort of entitlement--they've all seen the episode, what's that you say about people living in different time zones? Bloody annoyed by it tbh! 1
caffrey Posted May 20, 2019 Posted May 20, 2019 The internet is like a minefield this morning, everything is trying to spoil it for me - phone notifications, google now etc.. I should've took the day off
LeMarchand Posted May 20, 2019 Posted May 20, 2019 The internet is like a minefield this morning, everything is trying to spoil it for me - phone notifications, google now etc.. I should've took the day off I made the mistake of checking my RSS feeds and had to rapidly shut my eyes!
LTurner3692 Posted May 20, 2019 Posted May 20, 2019 I am sticking to Edugeek all day, not going to look at BBC news or any other website in fear of finding something out.
mikeprice Posted May 20, 2019 Posted May 20, 2019 Finally managed to watch it Had to spend all day avoiding all the comment, spoilers etc etc etc including just managing to change TV channel several times when they were about to comment on it after giving a warning of about 2 seconds! Good episode - better than the last couple - also sets up a possible side story if they want it
Bill8 Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 Oh are we doing predictions on who is going to sit on the Iron Throne? I will go with Bran if there is indeed a throne left to sit on. Lucky guess or are you really the Three Eyed Raven? 1
Bill8 Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 She's not the first Stark to sail west though, hopefully they'll reference this if they do do a series.
Andrew_C Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 Too much battle footage, not enough story. Still, I did read that a prequel is being filmed...
FishCustard Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 I actually liked the last episode (apart from the stupidity of the Daenerys plot) - it was much better than I expected. Also - "Arya's Adventures" spin off when?
korifugi Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 Also - "Arya's Adventures" spin off when? Like this? 1
sonofsanta Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 It mostly just made me sad watching this episode. Because I just... didn't really care anymore. I used to love this show so much, feel so invested in it, and there were moments last night where I could hear an echo of what I ought to be feeling if the last two seasons had been better, but... I didn't really feel it, and so I'm sad that they threw away so much good will. I mean, it wasn't a terrible episode as it goes, if a little slow given that for the first twenty minutes the only meaningful action was a man took a badge off. Jon finally did something useful, and I liked Brienne's scene, and I loved Sansa telling Edmure to sit down. Seeing our true queen tell a mediocre upper-class toff to sit down will warm me through cold winter nights. But... so much was out of character. (Switching to invisible white text for spoilers!) Two episodes ago they asked Bran if he wanted to be Lord of Winterfell and he said nah, I'm good, I've left the concerns of mortal men behind me. And now he wants to be King? (Also why tf does he not get a say in what his name will be, I'd be pretty pee-one-fifty-fived off if someone declared me "the Broken".) Arya has shown no capacity for being a boat captain before now, and I think the extent of her urge to explore was one off-hand comment in Season 6? If Sansa declared the North independent (fine) why did none of the other kingdoms follow suit? Yara Greyjoy you'd think would take the first opportunity, and Dorne owes nothing to Bran Stark. Who, incidentally, is now a foreign lord on the throne with no claim. And why in seven hells is Jon going to the Night's Watch? (a) that was a compromise for Grey Worm, who immediately buggered off on a boat, so maybe go catch Jon up on the road and say "hey you can come home now"? (b) WHAT ARE THE NIGHT'S WATCH WATCHING FOR NOW. THE NIGHT KING IS DEAD. THEIR WATCH IS ENDED. And what about Azor Ahai? Nothing came of that in the end, did it? Nor the Valonqar. Is Bran now the prophesied "one younger and more beautiful than you"? Wasn't much point in Jon being Aegon, in the end, nor Howland Reed popping up at the Kingsmoot council. The whole Old Gods/New Gods/Lord of Light thing got dropped. Religion got dropped entirely, in fact, as soon as Cersei blew up the High Sept and faced absolutely zero consequences for it; I'm pretty sure that if the King of France blew up the Pope and the Vatican in the 14th Century because they'd become politically inconvenient the people wouldn't have suddenly shrugged their shoulders and forgotten Catholicism entirely, you know? Anything about the Sand Snakes and Ellaria Sand. Winter! "The Night that will Never End" ended up lasting, uh, one night, and then was promptly forgotten about. Jaime's whole arc was wasted entirely and made no sense. The last two seasons of the show just felt... rushed. They went with the first idea they had and wrote it down and filmed it and never stopped to see if they could come up with any other ideas, or think through any plot holes, or consider if they'd left anything out. They knew what cool scenes they wanted and by the old gods and the new they were going to shoehorn those scenes in, character development and logical consequences be damned. The dragon melting the throne is the perfect example: either the dragon accurately recognised that it wasn't truly Jon that murdered Dany, but the whole system of absolute monarchy that must be competed for with violence and guarded jealously... or he thought the spiky chair had stabbed the spiky thing into her, not Jon. Because of course the correct answer is that they just wanted a dragon to melt the chair and didn't think it through more than that. The more I write this out the angrier I get. I used to love this show so much. I miss how good it was. Still, I did read that a prequel is being filmed... About two pages back in this thread, no less 3
FishCustard Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 I agree with all of those points really - particularly about the show being rushed. The ending itself wasn't bad, just unearned IMO. The whole "Jon going to the Night's Watch" thing I choose to believe was a clever ruse. Grey Worm probably doesn't know much about them, so may not pick up that there's no need for them any more. Therefore all he sees is a traditional punishment. Bran however knows full well, and is effectively "exiling" him to live with his friends in the place he feels most at home - the true North. He knows that Jon won't have to stay there, and can come back whenever he wants. GW goes away satisfied, and Jon gets to opt out of all the politics. The dropped plot threads really really annoy me. I could've written a better ending than this given the number of episodes they used, let alone with a longer series! 1
sonofsanta Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 The ending itself wasn't bad, just unearned IMO. I think that's what it comes down to--on paper, stuff was happening that should be meaningful but just... wasn't. Like the moment between Jon & Dany: it fell flat because their relationship was never convincing, having been rushed through the last two seasons. You need to do more than show me a dragonflight date, you need to show me why these two people in particular are in love, what it is that uniquely binds them together. In what ways do they think the same, in what ways do they test and push each other, what in-jokes and secrets and worries do they share ... not just "hey you're hot and I'm hot and call me maybe?" There's lots of articles floating round about various turns and decisions going "but AHA this was foreshadowed back in Season 3 Episode 8 and if you were paying attention..." and I feel like if you need that kind of intellectual justification afterwards, that's a big failure of your storytelling, y'know? Everything that happened this season felt arbitrary. Characters were doing things because the plot needed them to do it, and the plot needed them to do it because there was a cool scene it wanted to show you with King's Landing. It wasn't quite Lost levels of godawful, but Breaking Bad remains the pinnacle of TV and of TV finales in particular IMHO.
pooley Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 I thought the finale was well put together, tied up loose ends and ended the story nicely. It did end more like a book ending than an action packed TV ending, I got it, the mrs was bored, too slow for her and not enough action.
Andrew_C Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 About two pages back in this thread, no less TL:DR Been avoiding he thread up to today for fear of inadvertent spoilers
LeMarchand Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 Well, I enjoyed it; but I loved the "Lost" finale. I do agree that more time should've been spent on certain aspects, but I guess that even HBO hasn't got unlimited funds. I wonder how similar GRRM's conclusion would have been (though he allegedly gave the outline to D&D)? Had been because I can't see him ever finishing it. Unfortunately I'm not 100% sure of that, or otherwise I'd treat myself to this beauty: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Game-Thrones-Leather-Cloth-Boxed-Set/dp/1101965487 My main complaints would be that Bran doesn't seem "king" material and that I wanted to see how the heck Jon managed to survive Grey Worm finding out about what happened to Dany. Plus, what was going on at the end? It looked like Jon was leaving with the Wildlings for good. Or was the whole "Night's Watch" thing just to placate Grey Worm?
sonofsanta Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 Apparently HBO offered full ten-episode seasons but Dan & Dave declined and opted for 13 episodes over 2 seasons. In hindsight that was the biggest mistake they made; I'd have taken some scaling back on the battles to free up some money for more episodes at this point. I can well believe that GRRM is headed to broadly the same place with Dany & Bran etc., and don't have a problem with the destination per se, just that it felt so unearned. If GRRM ends up at the same place but with a stronger journey, with proper foreshadowing, I can see it working. As to how Jon survived Grey Worm... yeah, I got nothing. GW was obviously well off the deep end at that point, murdering unarmed prisoners, he's not going to just arrest Jon nicely once he works out what happened. (How he finds out is never discussed, given that Drogon did Jon a solid and hid the body, but it would be entirely on brand for Jon to just go down and admit to it to GW's face, because he is an idiot.) Going north: he did say a couple of episodes back that he wished he was going back with Tormund, right? And that was where he was happiest, up with the Free Folk. But Kit Harington gave absolutely no indication that Jon was happy about this or that he understood Bran was giving him what he really wanted, so... idk.
sonofsanta Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 Reddit is having fun, anyway. I love this alternate ending, especially Arya's moment. (Better with sound, though not essential.) 2
fiza Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 Taking Jon prisoner just didn't make sense. After the rousing speech that Dany gave to her troops at the top of the steps they would have chopped Jon into bits once they found out what happened. Felt like a whole scene was missing from the time Drogon left and Tyrion being led out of the cell by GW.
AJWhite1970 Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 Looks like Drogon fled to Dorset (possibly to be looked after by Witch..?) 2
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