Choosing a car: Diesel v Petrol

[crc-ict]

For <£1000?

 

Could probably pick up one of these for <£1000

 

 

Well, it's electric...

[zag]

For £1,000 you will have to stick with a clapped out gas guzzler. At least if it does become obsolete over the next few years you can just chuck it away

[jmak]

Could probably pick up one of these for <£1000

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]45719[/ATTACH]

 

Well, it's electric...

A bloke in who lived near me as a kid took the innards from one of those and put them in a Renault 12 - about 35 years ago - and used it as his daily driver. His commute was nearly 50 per day.

 

You could buy a load of spare batteries and chuck them in the boot for the days you want to go further...

[zag]

in 5 years probably now for a lot of people the tech just isnt there recharging needs to be much quicker/available and range needs to be longer. i dont want to have to rent a car for long journeys esp as i often decide to just go as its a nice day and i dont have space/need for 2 cars. it beats me why there arnt many cars out there that are electricly driven but have a petrol/derv generator to top the battery up

 

People said the same about CD players when the iPod came along

 

The tipping point is a lot sooner that people tend to think with disruptive technology.

 

There are a couple of cars coming in the next few months that essentially fix the issues you talk about.

 

A good leasing arrangement will help as well, due tot he lower cost of ownership they should be very popular.

[Theblacksheep]

in 5 years probably now for a lot of people the tech just isnt there recharging needs to be much quicker/available and range needs to be longer. i dont want to have to rent a car for long journeys esp as i often decide to just go as its a nice day and i dont have space/need for 2 cars. it beats me why there arnt many cars out there that are electricly driven but have a petrol/derv generator to top the battery up

 

Although this technology has been a premium for the last 5 years, in the next 2 years to around 30k. Anything that isnt a city ecar has a shorter bladder range than battery range, my last drive up to Scotland involved 2 stop, both 30-45 mins, both would have charged a car enough while I ate, stretched and had a bathroom break. Volt goes 238 miles, Tesla Model S between 250-320, Tesla Model 3 is 220-310. They charge fully in an hour on high volt chargers. The range and charging speed is there.

 

The idea isnt about weekly or biweekly fill ups like fuel. Its using the sockets at home/work to trickle charge, it's using destination chargers overnight and powerful level 2+ chargers for longer journeys. They are in alot of places now like supermarkets, cinemas and shopping centres. They will be at petrol garages as they convert to charging stations with coffee shops.

 

There's alot of hybrids, but alot of people don't want them as they still rely on petrol, add needless complications, needless technology and tax. They were needed when ecars could only go 100 miles, but we're beyond that now.

 

Its happening.

[mavhc]

in 5 years probably now for a lot of people the tech just isnt there recharging needs to be much quicker/available and range needs to be longer. i dont want to have to rent a car for long journeys esp as i often decide to just go as its a nice day and i dont have space/need for 2 cars. it beats me why there arnt many cars out there that are electricly driven but have a petrol/derv generator to top the battery up

 

Well, you have all the hybrids around now, plus the BMW i3 REX. Some people just put a generator in the boot of their electric car when going on a long trip. But the plug in hybrids are still too new to be cheap used.

[mavhc]

For <£1000?

 

Well, if you account for fuel you might be better off renting/getting a loan.

[LeMarchand]

Wouldn't touch either at the moment. Electric is all you are going to hear about in the coming years and there are some good ones out now such as the new Leaf, E-Golf and i3 as well as the forthcoming model 3 from Tesla.

 

Well, if you account for fuel you might be better off renting/getting a loan.

 

What the Electric Evangelists don't seem to factor in is that many people cannot afford an electric car at current prices, even factoring the high costs associated with fuel, licensing etc etc. As well as this, there isn't the charging infrastructure in place to make it viable for most people. If you can afford the purchase/increased time on long journeys and are lucky enough to be able to charge your car at home then it makes sense. I doubt that anyone bar the diehard petrolheads who want to be able to reach Mach 1 by the time they've reached the end of their road would be hanging onto their fossil fuel burners if they could actually make electric work for them.

 

There's a reason it wasn't an option in the poll!

[3s-gtech]

Dear me, this is a thread with the OP asking what he can get for just shy of a grand! Talk about derailing - I don't know of any purchase schemes for new cars that would even take that little as a deposit, let alone where the rest of the payments come from.

 

Petrol and diesel cars have years left in them, though the squeeze will come (tax, duty, etc). Bangernomics lag well behind what people are going out and buying new, and electric cars need to be approached with caution on the second hand circuit.

[mavhc]

I'm paying £118/month on 0% interest loan from nissan for my 2014 car, with £500 deposit, that's less than what many pay for petrol per month.

 

Agreed about charging, many will have to have to hit their council a bit for a lamp post install. About 65% of dwellings have off street parking. 17 million had off street parking vs 20 million households with cars.

 

http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation/content/downloadables/spaced_out-bates_leibling-jul12.pdf

 

Also funny watching oil based cars in the rear view mirror at traffic lights.

[LeMarchand]

I'm paying £118/month on 0% interest loan from nissan for my 2014 car, with £500 deposit, that's less than what many pay for petrol per month.

 

Agreed about charging, many will have to have to hit their council a bit for a lamp post install. About 65% of dwellings have off street parking. 17 million had off street parking vs 20 million households with cars.

 

What's the loan period?

 

I struggle to believe that parking figure. Did they only survey rich people in rural locations? Or was the data taken from insurers who are being lied to to keep premiums down? The people I know with garages use them as a storage room, but most people I know manage with on street parking. I don't know anyone who parks their car in a garage, and the only "off streeters" are an accountant with a penthouse flat and a friend who is now a "gentleman farmer".

[zag]

I'm paying £118/month on 0% interest loan from nissan for my 2014 car, with £500 deposit, that's less than what many pay for petrol per month.

 

Agreed about charging, many will have to have to hit their council a bit for a lamp post install. About 65% of dwellings have off street parking. 17 million had off street parking vs 20 million households with cars.

 

http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation/content/downloadables/spaced_out-bates_leibling-jul12.pdf

 

Also funny watching oil based cars in the rear view mirror at traffic lights.

 

Is that one of the older Nissan Leafs? I hear they are very cheap now the newest model has been announced.

[sted]

I'm paying £118/month on 0% interest loan from nissan for my 2014 car, with £500 deposit, that's less than what many pay for petrol per month.

i suspect i pay less for that in petrol a month i usually get 3-4 weeks from a tank and i dive something not designed really for mpg (still get 45 out of it on a run and high 30s - low 40s normally and again im not really trying

 

i also dont want to borrow money for a car if i cant afforrd to buy it outright and have a working car i dont need it thats why i still dont have a v8 mustang though im working on it

Although this technology has been a premium for the last 5 years, in the next 2 years to around 30k. Anything that isnt a city ecar has a shorter bladder range than battery range, my last drive up to Scotland involved 2 stop, both 30-45 mins, both would have charged a car enough while I ate, stretched and had a bathroom break. Volt goes 238 miles, Tesla Model S between 250-320, Tesla Model 3 is 220-310. They charge fully in an hour on high volt chargers. The range and charging speed is there.

The idea isnt about weekly or biweekly fill ups like fuel. Its using the sockets at home/work to trickle charge, it's using destination chargers overnight and powerful level 2+ chargers for longer journeys. They are in alot of places now like supermarkets, cinemas and shopping centres. They will be at petrol garages as they convert to charging stations with coffee shops.

 

There's alot of hybrids, but alot of people don't want them as they still rely on petrol, add needless complications, needless technology and tax. They were needed when ecars could only go 100 miles, but we're beyond that now.

 

Its happening.

fast chargers are fine (but its still probably always going to be quicker to put in 500 miles of petrol than 200 of leccy)but try going from (the one i do most often and usually non stop each way and if im lucky without refueling) leeds - fishguard i looked once and without going well off route there were none

 

chevy bolt not avaliable in the uk unless its the vauxhell ampera then i couldnt find any nationwide on autotrader, model s too expensive(and for me way to big), model 3 one day they will make them and in rhd never trust musks dates.

 

Yes the idea isnt to fill up twice a month or whatever no you need to fill up daily you need infrastructure (i could probably fit a charger in my garage no problem but nowhere i work (and i go different places each day) has a charger i suppose i could use the ones in asda 1 day a week but id probably get a ticket for being there all day).

 

Again long journeys i try not to stop went leeds-knockhill (north of Edinburgh) and back diddnt stop once on either journey i usually dont stop on leeds-fishguard either because i find once i stop it harder to get going again mentally whereas once im driving i can just keep going

[PotNoodleTech]

Petrol all the way!!! Preferably a Straight 6, V8, or V12!!!

[LeMarchand]

i also dont want to borrow money for a car if i cant afforrd to buy it outright and have a working car i dont need it thats why i still dont have a v8 mustang though im working on it

 

 

usually dont stop on leeds-fishguard either because i find once i stop it harder to get going again mentally whereas once im driving i can just keep going

 

I don't like to borrow either - not least because someone would then decide to go into the back of me again!

 

That's how I feel about long journeys; they have to be stupidly long for me to want to take a break and then the break will involve food and a proper rest, not sitting in the car waiting for it to charge.

 

Anyway, I may have found a car, 2008 model, only 14k miles, just £123!!! With luck, I could afford enough petrol to get to work once a month: used Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano car for sale in Belfast | Official Ferrari Used Car Search

[sted]

I don't like to borrow either - not least because someone would then decide to go into the back of me again!

 

That's how I feel about long journeys; they have to be stupidly long for me to want to take a break and then the break will involve food and a proper rest, not sitting in the car waiting for it to charge.

 

Anyway, I may have found a car, 2008 model, only 14k miles, just £123!!! With luck, I could afford enough petrol to get to work once a month: used Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano car for sale in Belfast | Official Ferrari Used Car Search

on the plus side depreciation will probably not be much of an issue lol

[mavhc]

What's the loan period?

36 months.

 

Around here there's 2 kinds of houses, old ones, terraced, built for miners, no driveways, newer houses all have driveways, so depends if they're pre or post about 1950 I guess. Not a rich area, half of the area is "within the most 10% deprived within the country"

 

Leeds to Fishguard is a bit tricky in Wales, the last fast charger is 126 miles from your destination. Knockhill is better, loads of chargers by the M74 at Glasgow, and near Carlisle

 

It's a 2014 24kWh Leaf Zag, so 3rd version, 4th was 2016 which are mostly 30kWh. 2018 one is 40kWh, but not for sale in EU yet, few months to wait.

 

Sadly they've not made any RHD Bolts yet.

[LeMarchand]

36 months.

 

Around here there's 2 kinds of houses, old ones, terraced, built for miners, no driveways, newer houses all have driveways, so depends if they're pre or post about 1950 I guess. Not a rich area, half of the area is "within the most 10% deprived within the country"

 

Financially, probably do-able if that offer is common. Unfortunately charging is insurmountable with the current infrastructure. Also, what are they made from? Mme LeMarchand is leaning towards something along the lines of a Humvee to protect precious baby cargo.

 

Re parking, even posh areas tend to get only 1 space/house in new builds. I'm still dubious of the figures in that report!

[mikeprice]

Financially, probably do-able if that offer is common. Unfortunately charging is insurmountable with the current infrastructure. Also, what are they made from? Mme LeMarchand is leaning towards something along the lines of a Humvee to protect precious baby cargo.

 

Re parking, even posh areas tend to get only 1 space/house in new builds. I'm still dubious of the figures in that report!

 

I could charge a car in my driveway I suppose - garage is converted into a living room

 

but I have never seen any public charge point anywhere near here

[mavhc]

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/nissan/leaf/10939 83% for child, better than most small MPVs. The 0-30 in 2 seconds does mean you can get out of the way of people hurtling towards you faster though. Also your child won't die from pollution and flooding, always a plus.

 

The RAC report is just counting households with >0 spaces, not every space, you'll have to switch which car is on the drive each night.

 

mikeprice: https://www.zap-map.com/live/ shows a few near you

Edited October 11, 2017 by mavhc

[LeMarchand]

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/nissan/leaf/10939 83% for child, better than most small MPVs. The 0-30 in 2 seconds does mean you can get out of the way of people hurtling towards you faster though. Also your child won't die from pollution and flooding, always a plus.

 

The RAC report is just counting households with >0 spaces, not every space, you'll have to switch which car is on the drive each night.

 

But what is the actual construction? Fibreglass or steel?

 

So is the RAC report is missing the millions of houses without parking? That would make sense of the figures (and why they are skewed).

[sted]

36 months.

Knockhill is better, loads of chargers by the M74 at Glasgow, and near Carlisle

Sadly they've not made any RHD Bolts yet.

but even then would probably mean having to stay overnight somewhere last time i went (previous car so eco derv) i got there and back on 1 tank of fuel(and did a week of normal driving) so 0 stops if i had to stop for say half our each way it makes it nigh on impossible in a day

 

i doubt we will get the chevy bolt now that vauxhell/open is owned by psa not gm theres no reason for them to sell it here and no dealers to sell it through

[mavhc]

I mean they're not counting whether a house has 2 vs 1 space. In that original figure, there's lots of data in the pdf.

 

Steel.

[LeMarchand]

Been looking online at cars:

ADDITIONAL 39 POUNDS BUYERS FEE PER PURCHASE

 

WTH? It is an auction site, but it's a fixed price item. Why not just add that money in?

[3s-gtech]

...avoid. Buyer's premiums are for bricks and mortar auctions, not Ebay etc. Bet that doesn't cover anything that a genuine buyer's premium does (e.g. outstanding finance).