newpersn Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Been asked to see if this Gaming PC is alright by a member of staff for their son. I feel this feels cheep. (motherboard is around £60) also didn't know they did a 1080ti 11GB ?!?! I'm sure if us on edugeek can build this cheaper and/or better?
just_david Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Been asked to see if this Gaming PC is alright by a member of staff for their son. I feel this feels cheep. (motherboard is around £60) also didn't know they did a 1080ti 11GB ?!?! I'm sure if us on edugeek can build this cheaper and/or better? A quick look on scan and it seems all 1080ti's are 11GB. It seems like a very good price, its non overclockable components but thats probably not a bad thing. I just tried and struggled to build the same for that same money. 1
Arthur Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 didn't know they did a 1080ti 11GB ?!?! That's by design. To get an extra 1GB VRAM you have to buy the Titan X. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11180/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review Meanwhile on the memory front, the GTX 1080 Ti is the first card NVIDIA is equipping with partner Micron’s second-generation GDDR5X memory. This refined design allows for higher clockspeeds, allowing NVIDIA to ship the GTX 1080 Ti with an 11Gbps memory clock, a 10% increase over the 10Gbps clock found on the Titan and the GTX 1080. This memory is situated on a cut-down 352-bit memory bus – NVIDIA has disabled the last 32-bit channel in part to differentiate the card from Titan X – which works out to 11GB of memory with a total bandwidth of 484GB/sec for the GTX 1080 Ti. 1
newpersn Posted July 10, 2017 Author Posted July 10, 2017 Is that worth going for? Im sure the PSU is under powered? is 600W enough for that to run everything to the max?
DalekSec Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 *cough* RGB? - - - Updated - - - Is that worth going for? Im sure the PSU is under powered? is 600W enough for that to run everything to the max? 600w is plenty, my whole system has a 800w PSU and it never really goes above 300w
3s-gtech Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 600W is more than sufficient - it'd work with a 400W supply but wouldn't leave much tolerance for expansion. My only thought is that is a lot of money to spend on an unknown build - the equivalent from a builder like Scan is another £600 but you have to wonder where the costs are being cut https://www.scan.co.uk/products/3xs-vengeance-ti-overclocked-intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-16gb-ddr4-11gb-evga-gtx-1080-ti-250gb-m2
sted Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Is that worth going for? Im sure the PSU is under powered? is 600W enough for that to run everything to the max? probably depends if its a 600w psu or a 600w peak psu (ive seen psus proporting to be xw and then you read the label (or pick them up and they way nothing) and thats what they will do the instant before they go bang)
just_david Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 600W is more than sufficient - it'd work with a 400W supply but wouldn't leave much tolerance for expansion. My only thought is that is a lot of money to spend on an unknown build - the equivalent from a builder like Scan is another £600 but you have to wonder where the costs are being cut https://www.scan.co.uk/products/3xs-vengeance-ti-overclocked-intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-16gb-ddr4-11gb-evga-gtx-1080-ti-250gb-m2 Aye, my big worry would be the after sales support being non-existent And what brand are the SSD and HDD, the markets being flooded atm with cheep SSD's that are designed with 1 year lifespans, and the ram. Thought for that price you could almost afford to replace all that and still be cheeper But all the parts listed look legitimate enough.
LincolnE Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 If you was to go for that company, I'd personally go straight to their website. https://www.freshtechsolutions.co.uk/intel-i7-7700k-2tb-ssd-16gb-ddr4-gtx-1080ti-11gb-falcon-windows-10-pc.html Seems to be a better deal, with a better motherboard and processor. You give up the support/assistance from amazon if things go wrong though.
GuyJD Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 All of the components look good, they cheaped out on the motherboard in there as that one was designed for Skylake anything Kabylake or newer and would have had to have a firmware update to make it work.
Garacesh Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) but you have to wonder where the costs are being cut Probably cheap SSD, writing "Solid State Drive with Superior Read + Write Speeds" without giving a brand name just screams low-performance part. Same goes for the HDD. At that price, you're probably getting a WD Green, which I don't like because I hate the spin-down. Maybe even for the RAM (are there any cheap DDR4 2133mhz modules?).. Again "Performance Ram" but no brand name doesn't exactly enthuse me. The case will be cheap as , and the fans will be off-brand fans that don't move as much air as decent brands would do. Also worth noting is they're using the OEM CPU cooler, which I personally hate. Spent £20 and get yourself a decent one, even if you're not overclocking, it'll run cooler and increase longevity. £20-30 now stops you spending £250-300 in 3 years. On paper though, it's a pretty-good to really-good* build for the cost. * Depending on what flavour of HDD, SSD and RAM you get Edited July 10, 2017 by Garacesh
L3OUGH Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Unless the eventual owner (the guys son) has a 4k screen, why not drop the 1080ti(!) down to a 1070/1060, save a bucket load of dosh there and build an all round better rig for the same budget. Using branded SSDs/HDDs, better motherboard and decent set of RAM, better case/cooling. That's what I'd be looking at doing. 1
L3OUGH Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 For example, really quickly on PC Part Picker. £1500. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/zTKnvV
just_david Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 For example, really quickly on PC Part Picker. £1500. https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/zTKnvV huh, 1070's are expensive atm >.< But thats a lot less powerful system for the same money as the amazon link my asus rog i7 1070 laptop was cheaper than that XD
Garacesh Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 huh, 1070's are expensive atm >.< All GPU's are expensive at the moment because Etherium (another cryptocurrency) has had quite a peak in price-per-coin so miners are buying up all the cards.
L3OUGH Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) huh, 1070's are expensive atm >.< But thats a lot less powerful system for the same money as the amazon link my asus rog i7 1070 laptop was cheaper than that XD Yes it's not as powerful. But for gaming, the rig I linked will melt anything at ultra and internals are much better quality brands. The only need for anything more powerful than a 1070 is for gaming on 2/4k monitors. Out of the 2, I know which I'd pick. Edited July 10, 2017 by L3OUGH
Garacesh Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 4K gaming is for chumps anyway Huge overhead for next to no benefit. A 1070'll do 1440p just fine. I do 1440p 144Hz on my 980Ti. 1
just_david Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Yes it's not as powerful. But for gaming, the rig I linked will melt anything at ultra and internals are much better quality brands. The only need for anything more powerful than a 1070 is for gaming on 2/4k monitors. Out of the 2, I know which I'd pick. Yeah but its the same price as the 1080ti build. why'd you pay the same for far less. and from the website linked the brands used is this desktop aren't really bad. not top tier, but then its not designed to OC, so doesn't really need to be. The only thing to worry about would be the SSD
Garacesh Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Yeah but its the same price as the 1080ti build. Slightly worse graphics card in exchange for a considerably better Motherboard and a slightly better processor, and considerably larger SSD (500GB as opposed to 120GB). Seems a better all-rounder to me. There is really no sense ploughing all your cash into your GPU and scrimping everywhere esle.
L3OUGH Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Yeah but its the same price as the 1080ti build. why'd you pay the same for far less. and from the website linked the brands used is this desktop aren't really bad. not top tier, but then its not designed to OC, so doesn't really need to be. The only thing to worry about would be the SSD You get a less powerful GPU, but a better motherboard, bigger SSD (of decent brand), good RAM, good PSU, better case, better cooling (Stock CPU fan, c'mon). I'm not saying no to the 1080ti build, I'm just giving an alternative. Unless the OP is going to come back and say he will be doing 4k gaming there is no need for 1080ti and the extra dosh could be put elsewhere to improve the other internal components, which is what I did. Just a second opinion.
3s-gtech Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Unless the OP is going to come back and say he will be doing 4k gaming there is no need for 1080ti Not quite - VR and very high frame rate competitive online gaming both need that sort of horsepower (depending on title) but generally I'd agree - the price of that card makes it a joke anyway. AMD Vega may knock prices a bit but it won't be faster - it's worth waiting till release as Nvidia may have some cuts in store.
Garacesh Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) very high frame rate competitive online gaming Then that's definitely a maximum resolution of 1440p. Nobody who is concerned about framerate is going to be gaming in 4K. You're only going to see an infinitesimal difference between a 1070 and a 1080 at 1440p/1080p 120-240Hz. A 1070'll handle VR just fine too. I have to say I'm personally with @L3OUGH on this one. Drop the card to a 1070 and spend more on the other parts. But yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, my opinion, man. Edited July 10, 2017 by Garacesh
just_david Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Slightly worse graphics card in exchange for a considerably better Motherboard and a slightly better processor, and considerably larger SSD (500GB as opposed to 120GB). Seems a better all-rounder to me. There is really no sense ploughing all your cash into your GPU and scrimping everywhere esle. eehh I'm gonna disagree. an oc doesn't beat 4 more virtual cores for daily use I'm finding. when i'm sat playing overwatch on one screen with netflix on another the i5 couldn't cope, but the i7 could and did. take that custom build, swap the case for a cheaper one (say the corsair 300R - never seen the point in silly fancy cases) and get in an i7 and bobs your uncle. that i'd do. but i'd still be tempted by that 1080ti for £1500. >.<
Rob_D Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 I didn't think the modern i7s even had "stock coolers" anymore? Or is that just the K series?
Garacesh Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) an oc doesn't beat 4 more virtual cores for daily use I'm finding. Given how intelligent motherboards are these days, there is no reason to buy a Not-K processor if you're going Intel. And your daily use isn't most people's daily use. Anybody playing esports at a reasonably competitive level probably won't have any distractions on another monitor. But that's just me We'll agree to disagree. I didn't think the modern i7s even had "stock coolers" anymore? Or is that just the K series? Some Ryzen chips don't come with OEM coolers because AMD expect/know/assume you're going to be using an aftermarket one, but I think all Intel's still do.. Maybe their I9's don't, I'm not certain. Edited July 10, 2017 by Garacesh
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