Peugeot-Citroen buys Vauxhall

[Norphy]

All that I can think of when I read this is that the PSA is in danger of turning itself into the French version of the British Leyland Group. I don't really see the point in them buying Opel, all they're doing is creating more internal competition for themselves. What's there really going to differentiate between a Pug 308, a Citroen DS3 and now a Vauxhall/Opel Astra? Three similarly sized cars aimed at the same value segment in the market.

 

At least with the VAG, there is supposed to be something resembling a clear delineation between Skoda, Seat, Volkswagen and Audi, even if it is mostly marketing and that the cars are all built on the same platform.

[Gibbo]

Peugeot 3008 SUV Is The 2017 European Car Of The Year

 

Peugeot 3008 SUV Is The 2017 European Car Of The Year, Beats Alfa Giulia And Mercedes E-Class

 

The Astra won some awards recently too, sadly all boring repmobile ones:

 

https://www.businesscarmanager.co.uk/vauxhall-astra-wins-sme-company-car-of-the-year/

[3s-gtech]

not all TDCI have DMF then ?

 

My post was unclear. From what I've seen, all 1.8 TDCi had a DMF (in the Focus, Mondeo mk4, Transit Connect etc). Many have been converted to SMF after a failure (which happens fairly often as the engine has quite a steep torque curve and pulls like a train) but they're not well suited to the conversion and it introduces NVH and possible failure of the crank.

[MrEprise]

Peugeot 3008 SUV Is The 2017 European Car Of The Year

 

Peugeot 3008 SUV Is The 2017 European Car Of The Year, Beats Alfa Giulia And Mercedes E-Class

 

The Astra won some awards recently too, sadly all boring repmobile ones:

 

https://www.businesscarmanager.co.uk/vauxhall-astra-wins-sme-company-car-of-the-year/

 

It did win European Car of the Year last year though: Vauxhall Astra named 2016 European Car of the Year

[cpjitservices]

The HDI and TDCI engines used across the Ford/Volvo/Sh*tron/Pug ranges are utterly, utterly diabolical pieces of engineering. However those are mostly 1.4 and 1.6s as you note. I know the larger 1.8s are actually quite decent.

I have had a spate of bad luck with those though. One thing is for sure; if I had twigged that my Focus might have had a PSA engine in it, I'd have thrown it back in the face of the seller

 

The PSA 2.0 HDI's are bullet proof they just wont die!

 

A testament to that is when your wife puts over half a tank of petrol through it and it still runs like a dream and does nearly a 600 miles on it, with only dribs of diesel to dilute.

 

My next car however will have the VAG 1.9 tdi lump in it as I fancy picking up a Passat 130.

[Gibbo]

The PSA 2.0 HDI's are bullet proof they just wont die!

 

I ran mine from 74k to 140k and it only ever needed the usual service items - oil and filters.

 

My brother bought a Pug 307 with 100,000 miles on the clock (it was the cheapest he could afford at the time) and ran it to 220,000 miles - again needing nothing but a £30 fuel temperature sensor. He's had more trouble with his new Focus in three months than all the years he had his 307!

 

There's loads of owners on the Pug and Cit forums with similar moon mileages. I think 460,000 is the highest in a 406.

 

Don't get me wrong - they do go wrong, and build quality has gone down with cheaper materials, but from my experience (5+ years as a Peugeot diagnostic tech) its almost always owner neglect. I've seen cars with mice nests in the engine soundproofing. Another car never had the bonnet lifted in three years (owner let rainwater clear the windscreen), there was no oil or coolant in the engine because they'd misread the service interval.

Edited March 7, 2017 by Gibbo