Apparently The New Fiver Isn't Vegetarian

[Hokalus]

According at the Snopes page (Beef Tallow In New £5 Notes? : snopes.com) the Bank of England had to investigate to determine if the notes contained animal products, were they even aware that it was a possibility before the FoI request was issued? The company which provides the pellets (Innovia Security) does so to 24 countries, I guess all of these contain Tallow, wonder how many knew until now? I also wonder why, as there are vegetarian alternatives, Innovia chose to use tallow in them?

[pcstru]

Er....I cant see how the pollution issue has anything much to do with this. I am a vegetarian and I think I am as entitled to my opinion as anyone else. I would have liked to have known first so that I could make an informed decision

I'd be interested to know what the reaction would be to handling a ten pound note that had previously been handled by a butcher and was found to contain trace quantities of animals from that source?

[Bompalompalomp]

I'd be interested to know what the reaction would be to handling a ten pound note that had previously been handled by a butcher and was found to contain trace quantities of animals from that source?

 

It would be expected because people who handle meat obviously also handle money? Just like people who don't wipe their hands after the toilet also handle money...

You're making it sound like vegetarians are obsessive or being hypochondriacs about touching anything that's ever touched meat.

[LeMarchand]

You're making it sound like vegetarians are obsessive or being hypochondriacs about touching anything that's ever touched meat.

 

I have read about someone (possibly here) who had a different freezer shelf and cooking utensils to their partner...

 

I know when Mme LeMarchand's girls were younger they were quite strident about (for instance) stuff being cooked at the same time in the oven. Now they're older and have to do their own cooking, they're a bit more realistic about such things.

 

They are not going to eat the fiver and so this is all nonsense generated by '#generation outrage' who like the sound of their own voice.

Tallow is used for many more things and if we didn't use it and it became a waste product it would then enrage the save the environment lot.

It concerns me not that its used in things like soap or a renewable bio fuel.

 

I find myself in agreement with @Galway. Truly the End Times are upon us .

Edited November 30, 2016 by LeMarchand

[MkII]

Haha!

 

 

 

 

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Edited November 30, 2016 by MkII

[DJ-1701]

They are not going to eat the fiver and so this is all nonsense generated by '#generation outrage' who like the sound of their own voice.

Traditionalists, Silent, Baby boomers, Generation X, Millennials, Generation Y, iGen, Generation Z, Founders, Snowflake... and now Outrage? Too many names.

 

To be fair, we have many outspoken people all over the spectrum of politics and humanity in many generations. What we need more of is understanding of viewpoints of everyone and to support each other.

 

Now let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya go to the pub.

[CAM]

Now let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya go to the pub.

 

Sorry, can't do that. They were all shut down due to rising property prices, fall in demand and being symbols of binge drinking middle-class patriarchy white-privilege.

[Narwhal]

For all those who think that the vegans in society are overreacting ask yourselves this; how would you feel if it were announced that the 'animal' product in the new fiver was made of human fat and that humans were killed to get it? I am not a vegan btw but I defend their right to avoid animal products.

[LeMarchand]

For all those who think that the vegans in society are overreacting ask yourselves this; how would you feel if it were announced that the 'animal' product in the new fiver was made of human fat and that humans were killed to get it? I am not a vegan btw but I defend their right to avoid animal products.

 

Apparently human fat makes good soap.

 

[Bompalompalomp]

For all those who think that the vegans in society are overreacting ask yourselves this; how would you feel if it were announced that the 'animal' product in the new fiver was made of human fat and that humans were killed to get it? I am not a vegan btw but I defend their right to avoid animal products.

 

I'm struggling between either a dead presidents joke or a soylent green joke but they're both a bit too American...

[CAM]

Islamic State have slaughtered the people of Iraq and Syria, captured the oil plants and forced them to work at gunpoint to extract the oil. It has then been sold on the black market to fund more killings and mistreatment and said oil, stained with the metaphorical blood of innocents, has eventually made it's way into the supply chain. Everything around you has involved oil at some point. How much passed through IS hands?

[witch]

 

Don't want to handle a five pound note? Wear gloves. Or just pick it up and put it in your wallet, you have the right to choose and it's down to you.

There you are - the issue in a nutshell - the point is that people were not told that the notes contained animal fat. If they were, you are right, it is THEIR right to choose what to do. But in order to make an informed choice, you have to be informed!!

 

As for you, @Galway Do you have any firm beliefs at all? I would rather see people who care enough to be outraged then live in a world where everything and everyone is sneered at and put down at every turn.

That's MY OPINION btw, not a moderators...

[pcstru]

It would be expected because people who handle meat obviously also handle money? Just like people who don't wipe their hands after the toilet also handle money...

You're making it sound like vegetarians are obsessive or being hypochondriacs about touching anything that's ever touched meat.

 

Actually, I'm just curious, I'm not trying to make anyone sound like anything, I'm trying to get to the why of their choices. I was a vegetarian for 7 years, 2 of those were while I was working as a gamekeeper, which some would say was 'incompatible' but they would in my case be wrong. I'd expect individual attitudes and answers to vary but the question does highlight a problem (that you don't know what what you come into contact with has come into contact with) and that if that does happen to be vitally important to you (the case of money it may or may not be depending on the reasons you are vegetarian) then the only solution would seem to be to avoid contact with things like money. The original manufacturer of the money can only tell you what went into it's manufacture. They can't tell you what is in it when it reaches you so if that is important as it seems to be to @witch, what are they going to do?

Edited November 30, 2016 by pcstru

[X-13]

For all those who think that the vegans in society are overreacting ask yourselves this; how would you feel if it were announced that the 'animal' product in the new fiver was made of human fat and that humans were killed to get it? I am not a vegan btw but I defend their right to avoid animal products.

 

I'd feel it was a false equivalence.

 

The animals aren't being killed for the fat, they're being killed for the meat.

 

The fat is an unwanted byproduct that is being recycled into something useful.

 

If it was fat taken from rando already dead people, then I probably still wouldn't care.

 

As for you, @Galway Do you have any firm beliefs at all? I would rather see people who care enough to be outraged then live in a world where everything and everyone is sneered at and put down at every turn.

 

Nihilism is an opinion.

 

Not a productive one, but an opinion nonetheless.

Edited November 30, 2016 by X-13

[pcstru]

For all those who think that the vegans in society are overreacting ask yourselves this; how would you feel if it were announced that the 'animal' product in the new fiver was made of human fat and that humans were killed to get it?

I would 'feel' that was wrong. Killing humans is illegal and there are laws against it.

 

I am not a vegan btw but I defend their right to avoid animal products.

Which begs the question of how to do that since these things get contaminated as they pass from hand to hand. However, the question as posed sort of misses the issue of choice (if the issue is ultimately to avoid contact, then you presumably need to avoid containments as much as the original ingredients). There is currently no requirement to list ingredients on things that are not food or cosmetics so this is unlikely to be an issue that is restricted to money. If people have a right to make the choice, then they need to be told and that will need to apply to everything. I imagine some people will be in for a nasty shock when they find out how extensively used animal products are.

[DJ-1701]

If people have a right to make the choice, then they need to be told and that will need to apply to everything.

 

Forget handshaking anyone, I'll just go with a good old fashion doff of a hat or the modern head nod then.

[localzuk]

I would 'feel' that was wrong. Killing humans is illegal and there are laws against it.

 

Morals based on what the law says? That's a little bit limiting...

Which begs the question of how to do that since these things get contaminated as they pass from hand to hand. However, the question as posed sort of misses the issue of choice (if the issue is ultimately to avoid contact, then you presumably need to avoid containments as much as the original ingredients). There is currently no requirement to list ingredients on things that are not food or cosmetics so this is unlikely to be an issue that is restricted to money. If people have a right to make the choice, then they need to be told and that will need to apply to everything. I imagine some people will be in for a nasty shock when they find out how extensively used animal products are.

So what you're saying is that other people should decide their lives based on what you think rather than their own thinking and decision making? As I said before, everyone draws their line in a different place. It isn't hypocrisy and it isn't strange - it is their decision, not yours and not the government's. They should be able to make an informed choice about something they are going to come into contact with every day - money.

[X-13]

Forget handshaking anyone, I'll just go with a good old fashion doff of a hat or the modern head nod then.

 

Fist bumps are also hygenic.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25087144

[LeMarchand]

Morals based on what the law says? That's a little bit limiting...

 

Surely if we want to live within a society we must abide by its rules?

 

Heading back to bank notes (but not vegetarians): apparently the new notes may be less likely to retain traces of cocaine that the old paper ones, which most would probably consider a good thing.

[localzuk]

Surely if we want to live within a society we must abide by its rules?

 

Following the rules is not the same as forming your own moral system.

Heading back to bank notes (but not vegetarians): apparently the new notes may be less likely to retain traces of cocaine that the old paper ones, which most would probably consider a good thing.

I'm sure certain people will be thrilled - they get more for their money then

[LeMarchand]

Following the rules is not the same as forming your own moral system.

 

I may have misread your post; I thought you were saying that one's own moral code trumps the law of the land.

[localzuk]

I may have misread your post; I thought you were saying that one's own moral code trumps the law of the land.

No, the statement made was that they would feel it was wrong and then they said killing was against the law. Seemingly linking their moral system to the law. IE. Would it still be wrong if the law didn't say it was. But that is getting off topic.

[Lonix]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/12517/production/_92713057_capture7.jpg

 

Funny how all of these "outraged" people still have smartphones & access to the internet/twitter. Imagine how much pollution is generated just by twitter's data centers alone, and the damage that could potentially have on wildlife?? I suppose that doesn't matter though, because how else would they spew their thoughts to all their beloved followers

I think the above response sums up well.

Reminds me of certain celebrities who fight for climate change while they fly in private jets, drive expensive sports cars and take drugs without a care in the world. While there are those with so little and would be happy just for clean water or a thick hand knitted jumper for Christmas.

 

There are far worse things to be outraged about. I'm sure if some one was about to stick 100 suit cases full of fivers on their house for them to have.. they'd take it in a split second. I just find it weird you can be outraged at killing one type of life (animals) on this world but other life not so bothered like fish, plant life or insects etc.... last I checked all life is life. Regardless if its big small or green.

 

Then again.. people such a strange bunch.

[Garacesh]

Scottish banks promise their notes are vegan-friendly - Scottish Financial

[elsiegee40]

Scottish banks promise their notes are vegan-friendly - Scottish Financial

 

Awaits newspaper scientific analysis of Scottish fivers proving otherwise