KK20 Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Windows 10 1607 enterprise; I have only just started testing windows 10. I have the image mostly working now except this (which has me stumped). When a user logs in for the first time on a PC the following error appears: "An app default was reset. An app caused a problem with the default app setting for xxxx so it was reset to yyyyy". Most commonly .pdf, .htm, .html to edge (I have removed a lot - almost all - of provisioned apps). I don't want edge playing with pdfs or htms or any of my other defaults being played with. worst still, the default app page pops up (I don't want users messing as they will only screw their profiles up, or some enterprising student will set everything to open with notepad etc). I saw this Fix for "An App Default was Reset" Windows 10 Resetting File Associations (Registry Fixes) and its registry settings (as both a preference and a login script) but they didn't work - the user still gets pestered. Does anyone know of a GPO that basically says "Do not let default apps check for default" or "leave default app settings alone"? Thanks
ITJS2015 Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 You can export your apps and features to an xml and add that to your gpo either to a computer or users
KK20 Posted August 10, 2016 Author Posted August 10, 2016 I have tried setting a GPO in Administrative Templates\Windows Components\File Explorer\Set a default associations configuration file using an xml from Dism /Online /Export-DefaultAppAssociations:xxxxx.xml This works but only on the SECOND login for a new users. If a profile doesn't exist for a user then I get the "error message" (it isn't a real "error" I know) and the defaults are not set for that session. If the user logs out and back in again then the GPO works just fine, the defaults are set according to my XML preferences and no "error message". It does seem that it is just the first login (domain, roaming profile, no .V6 profile as first windows 10 login).
KK20 Posted August 10, 2016 Author Posted August 10, 2016 Solved. It isn't enough to just use the GPO. As well as the GPO on each PC the dism /online /Import-DefaultAppAssociations must be run. This sets the defaultappassociations for the defaultuser on the PC. since the user was fresh and had no profile, the defaults were copied from the machine. These defaults conflicted with what applications were set. On the second login the GPO was applied to the profile proper. I suspect this is tied to the current issue with 1607 and temporary/cached profiles not working as expected (whether a profile is fresh or not, the GPOs SHOULD apply but in this case are clearly not - you can go into the app defaults as see that the GPO settings had not taken effect!) In anycase I have solved it for my own purposes. 1
angrycomputingteacher Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 I seem to get this issue. It's happening when a new user profile is created.
KK20 Posted August 11, 2016 Author Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) try what I did. On the PC that is causing the issue (or at least one of them) run dism /online /Import-DefaultAppAssociations with the same XML file you use for the GPO. It has cured it on all my PCs so far (I created a one shot script that ran on startup). It is due to the defaultuser default settings on the machine conflicting with the freshly created profile. Once you update the defaultuser settings then the issue goes away. My fear is that if I install new software I will need to rerun the script on machines again (if the software changes core file associations.) Edited August 11, 2016 by KK20
Simcfc73 Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 It does this when I install Adode DC, I ran it remotely and a popup showed up saying its been reset. It seems to still work though as the default
ITJS2015 Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 I assumed that when you install a new piece of software you would have to run the file association depending on what kind of account you want to apply it to
HereIGoAgain2601 Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 Hi, any chance you could send me the script you are running once at startup? Just updated our school to win10 and seeing this issue on all our machines during the first login. Microsoft really need to get their act together. Thanks
KK20 Posted August 12, 2016 Author Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) Sure. It is very simplistic - I have a few "one run scripts" for various pieces of odd software; I have a simple flag system in the program files dir that keeps track of what I need. Simply increment the file number when you need to deploy a new .xml (I don't delete so I have a record but feel free to have a del if you wish). This is run as a computer start script, name it what you want, mine happens to be called FileAssoc_W10.batand has wmi filtering set to W10 only (we have no 8 or 8.1 machines) @echo off REM **** check for our script flags folder, if it isnt there then create it **** if not exist "%PROGRAMFILES%\scriptflags" mkdir "%PROGRAMFILES%\scriptflags" if exist "%PROGRAMFILES%\scriptflags\SAFA_V001.dat" goto ENDOF REM **** no flag so run our DISM **** Dism /online /Import-DefaultAppAssociations:\\NETWORK_PATH_TO_YOUR_GPO_XML\fileassociations.xml echo "\\NETWORK_PATH_TO_YOUR_GPO_XML\fileassociations.xml" > "%PROGRAMFILES%\scriptflags\SAFA_V001.dat" :ENDOF REM **** on with the show! **** Edited August 12, 2016 by KK20 2
Simcfc73 Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 Jeeex the simplest things are taking me ages. I cant get this to work, even running it manually from the powershell. It says its completed but Edge is still the defualt for PDFs
KK20 Posted August 12, 2016 Author Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) do you have the group policy too? This script will only sort the default user out. You will also need a group policy using the same XML. The GPO lives in Administrative Templates\Windows Components\File Explorer\Set a default associations configuration file You cannot manually edit the XML file as there is a checksum on the entries I think. You need to Dism /Online /Export-DefaultAppAssociations each time you make a change. Obviously, on the machine that you export make sure the file associations have been set up correctly! You can view the contents of the XML to see if they are what you think they are (as a final check) Edited August 12, 2016 by KK20
Simcfc73 Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 I do, I am tearing what little hair I have left out trying to get the GP sorted for W10. Silly things I am trying to fix When I run a cmd prompt as a admin the drive maps dont work, even though they are mapped as me who is a admin. I pretty much have to either use a UNC path or map the drive when I go into a cmd prompt. Users can save to c:\users\%username% including exe files... never had this before. Office staff are getting redirected desktops... even though they shouldnt Cant pin anything to start menu, even though a policy isnt live Really tempted to go back to W7
ITJS2015 Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 Each time you make a change to your default apps within a machine you will always have to change it each time. You can open your xml and see what default application are set to each one. KK20 has got the correct way of doing this as it has worked for me. Have you set your uses to become a administrator of the local computer when you login with a domain account that should hopefully fix your problem by pinning stuff to your startmenu layout
jmig Posted October 5, 2016 Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) I have tried setting a GPO in Administrative Templates\Windows Components\File Explorer\Set a default associations configuration file using an xml from Dism /Online /Export-DefaultAppAssociations:xxxxx.xml Correct me if I am wrong, but this is a policy, not a preference, so this would render your users unable to set their own file associations if they wanted? I'm asking because I'm trying to resolve this issue in our computer labs, where we don't mind if the users are unable to change anything. However, we plan to roll out Win 10 to our faculty/staff computers, where we are less restrictive, so this might not work for us in that scenario. Edited October 5, 2016 by jmig
KK20 Posted October 6, 2016 Author Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Correct me if I am wrong, but this is a policy, not a preference, so this would render your users unable to set their own file associations if they wanted? nope. Look at the bottom of the GPO: If the policy is enabled, disabled, or not configured, users will still be able to override default file type and protocol associations. I have yet to find a more modern method to sort this out (logon/bootup scripts belong back on NT4.0 and shouldn't really be necessary in an AD environment although it is hilarious how many times I need to use a script when the GPO doesn't work as intended. For example, THIS GPO should fix this "second logon behaviour" but doesn't work: Administrative Templates\Windows Components\File Explorer\do not reinitialise a pre-existing roamed profile user when it is loaded on a machine for the first time why? If you read the text: This policy setting allows administrators who have configured roaming profile in conjunction with Delete Cached Roaming Profile Group Policy setting to ensure that Explorer will not reinitialize default program associations and other settings to default values. If you enable this policy setting on a machine that does not contain all programs installed in the same manner as it was on the machine on which the user had last logged on, unexpected behavior could occur. you will see that you need to use delete cached roaming profiles, which is broken in 1607. Yey. And even if it worked, I suspect that the profile will be reset when an update is applied that adds new default apps (such as candy crush saga, or other stupid MS home oriented shovelware): A second issue presents itself (and I suspected it might) that updates bring more default applications along. They can also reset the current state of default applications (naughty windows 10!). It should be noted that I do use WSUS for W10 updates and we are running client branch enterprise not LTSB enterprise. In any case, here is ANOTHER powershell script for those who want to remove default applications - the default applications need to be removed from the PC *and* the default user context. This is the current powershell script I use (well part of it), no doubt there are more apps being added to this each patch - feel free to use/critique/comment as appropriate: # *********** ONWARDS! ************* #uninstall the USER context get-appxpackage *BingFinance* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *BingNews* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *BingSports* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *BingWeather* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Binghealth* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Bingfood* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Bingtravel* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *CommsPhone* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *CandyCrushSaga* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *ConnectivityStore* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Getstarted* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Messaging* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *MicrosoftOfficeHub* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *MicrosoftSolitaireCollection* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *OneNote* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Sway* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *People* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Reader* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Readinglist* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *SkypeApp* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Twitter* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *WindowsAlarms* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *WindowsCamera* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *windowscommunicationsapps* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *WindowsPhone* | Remove-AppxPackage #get-appxpackage *WindowsStore* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *XboxApp* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *ZuneMusic* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *ZuneVideo* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Zune* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *xbox* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *money* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *contact support* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *contactsupport* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Line* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *Netflix* | Remove-AppxPackage get-appxpackage *WindowsFeedbackHub* | Remove-AppxPackage #now unintall the PROVISIONSED context Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*BingFinance*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*BingNews*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*BingSports*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*BingWeather*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Binghealth*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Bingfood*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Bingtravel*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*CommsPhone*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*CandyCrushSaga*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*ConnectivityStore*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Getstarted*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Messaging*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*MicrosoftOfficeHub*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*MicrosoftSolitaireCollection*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*OneNote*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Sway*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*People*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Reader*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Readinglist*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*SkypeApp*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Twitter*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*WindowsAlarms*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*WindowsCamera*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*windowscommunicationsapps*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*WindowsPhone*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online #Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*WindowsStore*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*XboxApp*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*ZuneMusic*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*ZuneVideo*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Zune*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*xbox*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*money*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*contact support*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*contactsupport*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Line*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Netflix*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*WindowsFeedbackHub*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online #these arent used ATM #$Applist | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*3DBuilder*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online #$Applist | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*Appconnector*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online #$Applist | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*WindowsMaps*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online #$Applist | WHere-Object {$_.packagename -like "*WindowsSoundRecorder*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online Again, I have found no way in GPO to do this - I shouldn't NEED to uninstall these from a machine each patch, I should be able to suppress them as necessary but hey ho. As for speed, this script takes 30 seconds to complete on a freshly imaged machine with ALL the default apps installed (2g ram core2duos with Kingston v300 SSDs - fairly bottom end machines) after that the script takes about 2 seconds to run so I leave it enabled and add more default apps as I am aware of them. Edited October 6, 2016 by KK20
jmig Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 nope. Look at the bottom of the GPO: If the policy is enabled, disabled, or not configured, users will still be able to override default file type and protocol associations. I probably should have read the GPO description before posting. This is the current powershell script I use (well part of it), no doubt there are more apps being added to this each patch - feel free to use/critique/comment as appropriate: I believe, but again, correct me if I am wrong, that Windows Feedback Hub and Contact Support cannot be uninstalled by this method?
KK20 Posted October 6, 2016 Author Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) easily missed as you have to scroll down (at least when RDPing I did) I cant see "windows feedback" or "contact support" in either start menu or cortana search so I believe I have removed them. Could be wrong myself. Edited October 6, 2016 by KK20
datar_ Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 Solved. It isn't enough to just use the GPO. As well as the GPO on each PC the dism /online /Import-DefaultAppAssociations must be run. This sets the defaultappassociations for the defaultuser on the PC. since the user was fresh and had no profile, the defaults were copied from the machine. These defaults conflicted with what applications were set. Looks like this is a command I'll be adding to MDT
thimon Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 We used to get the "An app default was reset. An app caused a problem with the default setting for xxx"message. We've got a DefaultAppAssociations.xml file in a GPO which sorted it and works fine. For pdf's and images, etc.
datar_ Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 We used to get the "An app default was reset. An app caused a problem with the default setting for xxx"message.We've got a DefaultAppAssociations.xml file in a GPO which sorted it and works fine. For pdf's and images, etc. This is what I currently have in place, but it's really not robust when different pupils log onto different laptops. Often getting Edge opening PDF's and then causing a spooler somewhere in the nether to get stuck haha
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