Geoff Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 InfoWorld is reporting that on February 12th, Microsoft will roll out Internet Explorer 7 through Windows Server Update Services to all systems - regardless of whether or not the update had been requested previously. The piece also mentions ways to prevent the update from occurring, for sysadmins who do not want to use IE7 on their systems. Microsoft claims that the decision was made due to 'security concerns'.
mattx Posted January 21, 2008 Posted January 21, 2008 Microsoft claims that the decision was made due to 'security concerns'. Nothing to do with the fact that Firefox is gaining a good following now and the complaint from Norwegian browser maker Opera to the EC ?
Gatt Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 Might explain, in a round about kinda way, why I've not been able to Download IE7 via WSUS for a while.. can't find it anywhere If they are gonna force it out (Critcal Update?) then at least my PC's will start to get it.. BTW, thought SP3 was supposed to contain IE7?
sharkster Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 SP3 isn't meant to contain IE7 (the trail version doesn't anyway) but now its been forced out it might do
cookie_monster Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 @ Gatt, yeh i've seen a few posts about that i think they've pulled the update untill they roll out the updated version. Service packs don't tend to contain IE version updates so i think it's unlikely that SP3 would contain IE7.
kennysarmy Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 oh....should I be worried if I have settings deployed out via active directory that pertain to the computer and user settings of "windows components/internet explorer" and others that restrict menus in IE, force the proxy etc? or will all this just carry through to IE7?
cookie_monster Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 IE7 will support most of them but you can just upgrade the ADM files to the IE7 versions and then you will have even more options to lock down IE.
openhgs Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 This is going to cause us loads of grief. Our science teachers run software which shows simulated experiments (can't remember the name of it off hand) and it only runs under IE6. It crashes under IE7 and refuses to load at all under Firefox. Yesterday I had one user who insisted that she need IE7, as it was the "best browser". It refused to install, saying the cryptographic service wasn't running (which it was). I'm still trying to beat this one into submission; I think it is going to be easier to convince the user to stick with Firefox.
pallen Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 You will need the adm template for IE7 in order for the settings to work correctly.
tech_guy Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 (edited) This is going to cause us loads of grief. Our science teachers run software which shows simulated experiments (can't remember the name of it off hand) and it only runs under IE6. It crashes under IE7 and refuses to load at all under Firefox. @openhgs - That's not the heart operation one is it at http://www.pbs.org? We had loads of grief getting it to work on our machines. Edited January 22, 2008 by tech_guy
kennysarmy Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 just reading further... does this only affect us if we are updating via WSUS?
richard.thomas Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 Are the IE7 adm templates backward compatable? Is that a stupid question? (Being that we're dealing with microsoft here I assume so )
Michael Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 To answer some of your questions - For networks still running IE6, the Internet Explorer policies do still apply to IE7, but it's highly recommended you download and import the updated inetres.adm file as there are a lot more policies as you shall see! You can still run IE6 and IE7 in the same network, but of course IE7 policies will not apply to workstations still using IE6. Similar to Windows 2000 and XP - XP's Firewall policies don't apply to Windows 2000. Once you've installed the application, within AD add/import the new inetres.adm file located in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Group Policy\ and overwrite the existing version. All new IE7 policies will then become available. Typical examples are controlling Tabbed browsing availability and the very annoying IE7 welcome screen can be avoided by directing users to their home page. As for XP SP3, in a MS document, it did state IE7 will not be included. This of course could change, but as already stated MS have never included a complete new browser in a Service Pack. Chances are it'll just be IE6 SP3, with IE7 forced on all users! Unless there are specific compatibility issues, IE7 should work absolutely fine in any network. IE7 has been out for quite some time now, so applications or websites which require IE6 natively should have been updated to work with IE7.
SpuffMonkey Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I think we'll migrate to FF Anybody got any good sites on how to lock down Firefox?
Geoff Posted January 23, 2008 Author Posted January 23, 2008 I've successfully deployed (via MSIs) and locked down (via GPOs) Firefox using the guides and scripts published by the Firefox Corporate Project. http://fxcorp.sanduskycomputers.com
kennysarmy Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 To answer some of your questions - For networks still running IE6, the Internet Explorer policies do still apply to IE7, but it's highly recommended you download and import the updated inetres.adm file as there are a lot more policies as you shall see! You can still run IE6 and IE7 in the same network, but of course IE7 policies will not apply to workstations still using IE6. Similar to Windows 2000 and XP - XP's Firewall policies don't apply to Windows 2000. Once you've installed the application, within AD add/import the new inetres.adm file located in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Group Policy\ and overwrite the existing version. All new IE7 policies will then become available. Typical examples are controlling Tabbed browsing availability and the very annoying IE7 welcome screen can be avoided by directing users to their home page. As for XP SP3, in a MS document, it did state IE7 will not be included. This of course could change, but as already stated MS have never included a complete new browser in a Service Pack. Chances are it'll just be IE6 SP3, with IE7 forced on all users! Unless there are specific compatibility issues, IE7 should work absolutely fine in any network. IE7 has been out for quite some time now, so applications or websites which require IE6 natively should have been updated to work with IE7. I've downloaded the msi you link to... I try to run it on my windows 2000 dc and it the first thing it say is that it is for installing on XP SP2 and Server 2003 sp1.....do I need to do this on my workstation and import the adm templates through the "Group Policy Management" tool.... thanks
JamesC Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Tell me if I'm missing something here. Why are people still groaning about IE7? I've had it rolled out to over 600 pc's for ages now. I've never had a problem. And yes its use is restricted through group policy (or as the commoners call it 'locked down' sheesh). Why would people want to confuse matters (and we are talking about school kids here) by installing a second browser for people to use and go through the aggro of 'locking it down'? "migrate to FF" - what a joke, I fell off my chair laughing! (And for anyone that tries to flame me saying 'ohhhh look at the Microsoft fanboy' you should know that firefox is my browser of choice.) back to the topic at hand- i see no reason why people arent using IE7 already, if people get stung by the same trick again... well perhaps you should consider a career change. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that for kids, and more so hapless teachers, things should be as simple as possible. Two browsers is going to confuse people in the School I work in, and people wouldn't use it anyway. Install virtual pc and get testing IE7. 1
CyberNerd Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 "migrate to FF" - what a joke, I fell off my chair laughing! (And for anyone that tries to flame me saying 'ohhhh look at the Microsoft fanboy' you should know that firefox is my browser of choice.) why not? it runs here on 300+ machines and IE6 only sites render fine in IETab on windows. Why would people want to confuse matters (and we are talking about school kids here) by installing a second browser for people to use and go through the aggro of 'locking it down'? because not all machines run IE7. Mostly everything runs Firefox, so why go through the 'aggro' of 'locking down' IE7 when FF is already here.
torledo Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 InfoWorld is reporting that on February 12th, Microsoft will roll out Internet Explorer 7 through Windows Server Update Services to all systems - regardless of whether or not the update had been requested previously. The piece also mentions ways to prevent the update from occurring, for sysadmins who do not want to use IE7 on their systems. Microsoft claims that the decision was made due to 'security concerns'. Anybody got the phone number of the EU antitrust lawyers....i'm sure this dastardly move would interest them,
JamesC Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 why not? it runs here on 300+ machines and IE6 only sites render fine in IETab on windows. because not all machines run IE7. Mostly everything runs Firefox, so why go through the 'aggro' of 'locking down' IE7 when FF is already here. Great for you, I cant see any of my 1200 users being bothered to learn how to navigate with a new browser though, especially when its not needed because I've always managed to get everything working in IE7. As for the IETab addon (I use this in firefox myself), well one word really - why? another inconvenience to unnecessarily put kids through, just to view a website that was styled by a sloppy designer. Not all machines run IE7? I'm not sure I follow? All computers will run IE7 cos I've had Celeron 400mhz's running it. If your getting confused between 'machine' and operating system then let me clear things up for you. All 'machines' (i hope we are not including hoovers here because they are 'machines' too remember) will run IE7. The Operating System you may know as windows 2000 will not. If you are struggling with getting IE7 working to your liking I don't mind sharing a few words of wisdom. Start a new thread and id be happy to solve all of your IE7 woes.
mattx Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Well I got my finger out this afternoon and finished our roll out of IE7 - 90% of the PCs on our network already had it but 12 PCs in our Pre Prep Nursery I had not got round to. So off I went and managed to get all done [ with updates, and flash player 9 ] in around 30 mins.... In the FF v IE7 stake, I run both - at least users have a choice that way. I find FF easier to script around though...
torledo Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Tell me if I'm missing something here. Why are people still groaning about IE7? I've had it rolled out to over 600 pc's for ages now. I've never had a problem. And yes its use is restricted through group policy (or as the commoners call it 'locked down' sheesh). Why would people want to confuse matters (and we are talking about school kids here) by installing a second browser for people to use and go through the aggro of 'locking it down'? "migrate to FF" - what a joke, I fell off my chair laughing! (And for anyone that tries to flame me saying 'ohhhh look at the Microsoft fanboy' you should know that firefox is my browser of choice.) back to the topic at hand- i see no reason why people arent using IE7 already, if people get stung by the same trick again... well perhaps you should consider a career change. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that for kids, and more so hapless teachers, things should be as simple as possible. Two browsers is going to confuse people in the School I work in, and people wouldn't use it anyway. Install virtual pc and get testing IE7. No, what you've done there is mistaken giving users' browser choice with them being 'confused'. Easy mistake to make
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