Blue_Cookeh Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 Do any of you guys on EES licensing still have access to Enterprise/Enterprise LTSB? Microsoft have removed our keys and only let us keep Education :/
sted Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Do any of you guys on EES licensing still have access to Enterprise/Enterprise LTSB? Microsoft have removed our keys and only let us keep Education :/ nope windows 10 enterprise appears to of gone walkies edit unless you search for it then I get enterprise and a load of keys edit 2 its under windows rather than software assurance Edited October 19, 2015 by sted
localzuk Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 Yup, LTSB is still on our list. Never had plain Enterprise though, and I've not bothered chasing them about it!
AlexB Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 Do any of you guys on EES licensing still have access to Enterprise/Enterprise LTSB? Microsoft have removed our keys and only let us keep Education :/ Still have Enterprise and Enterprise LTSB for both KMS and MAK. However, I did have to ring up back in August to get Enterprise.
Arthur Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 the apps are only not included in this early release as MS don't consider them "stable" for LTSB use. They will most likely appear in a future release of LTSB, as they will have matured and will be added to the branch. I might be reading it wrong, but it sounds like Microsoft will release new LTSBs every 2-3 years (after the next LTSB) but they will never include Microsoft's universal apps or the Windows Store client? Making a little more sense out of Windows as a Service and Windows 10 branches Current BranchThe Current Branch (also known as CB) is the broadly deployed branch of Windows 10 aimed at consumers. Those new features and updates that make the cut for release are rolled out to this branch first. For critical security updates and fixes (also known as “Servicing Updates”), the timing of these releases will still be the familiar 2nd Tuesday of each month. For new feature hotness, (also known as “Feature Upgrades”) the expected cadence is every few months but that may vary. The Current Branch has all the bells and whistles of the given version of Windows such as both IE and Edge browsers, Store apps, etc Current Branch for BusinessNext up, is the Current Branch for Business (also known as CBB). This is the same OS as the Current Branch but the Feature Upgrade cadence is aimed at – you guessed it – business users. The same critical security updates and fixes (also known as “Servicing Updates”) released for CB are applicable to the CBB (which - as mentioned above - are released on the familiar 2nd Tuesday of each month). The new feature/functionality upgrades, though, will be deployed to CBB systems on a later schedule, months after Current Branch systems received them. This can be from 4-12 months after they were released to the CB, depending on how they are deployed Windows Update-connected CBB systems will defer the updates for 4 months SCCM or other managed CBB systems can defer up to 12 months [*]The Current Branch for Business has all the bells and whistles of the given version of Windows such as both IE and Edge browsers, Store apps, etc Long Term Servicing BranchThe Long Term Servicing Branch version of Windows 10 (also known as the LTSB) is actually a different OS SKU than the CB/CBB and it is intended for mission-critical systems (i.e. cash registers, health care systems, air traffic control, etc) where “set it and forget it” is a requirement. The critical security updates and fixes (also known as "Servicing Updates") which release on the familiar 2nd Tuesday of each month are applicable to the LTSB, just as they are to the CB and CBB. The new feature/functionality upgrades, though, will not be deployable to an LTSB OS until the next version of an LTSB is released (anywhere from 3-5+ years is the current expectation, which may vary). The LTSB version of Windows 10 does NOT have all the bells and whistles of the given version of Windows – it only has IE (no Edge); it doesn’t have the Store apps/support; etc. [...] As I said, I am going to ask you to consider a few pros/cons of CBB and LTSB and I think you may come to the same conclusion I reached: That the CBB is actually the better choice for most end-user systems in business. LTSB is available to customers who have purchased a collection of benefits, services and features from Microsoft called "Software Assurance". LTSB is a separate Windows 10 Enterprise OS SKU – it is different source media, WIM file, etc from CB/CBB. You’ll need to create and manage an LTSB-specific build. LTSB is somewhat feature-restricted out of the box and will remain so until the next LTSB is updated/released (which will likely be multiple years). This may sound attractive but if you think about how quickly expectations of business users change and how quickly the feature-set of Windows will expand given the Windows as a Service model, I would caution you against painting yourself (and your business users) into a corner - the only way from LTSB back to CB/CBB is a re-install of Windows On a good note, though, you can do in-place upgrades from one LTSB to the next. For example, you can go from LTSB 6 > LTSB 7 or to 8 (skipping 7). Recall, though, the interval between LTSBs will likely be years apart. [*]As mentioned before, with CBB, you can delay or ‘defer’ the Feature Upgrades for up to 12 months if you’re using SCCM or another 3rd party tool to manage and deploy updates in your environment. This option provides the most flexibility – you can continue to choose when to deploy the Servicing Updates, as well as separately decide when to deploy the Feature Upgrades. With LTSB, you are constrained from any new features until the next LTSB (certainly appropriate for some systems, but I’d argue, not most). With CB/CBB, if a certain feature is released that your business users want or key applications require, you’ll have the flexibility to deploy it - when you’re ready. Introduction to Windows 10 servicing It is important to note again that not all feature upgrades will have an LTSB. The initial release of Windows 10, published in July 2015, has an LTSB and Microsoft expects to designate one additional feature upgrade in the next 12 months for long-term support. After that, Microsoft expects to publish feature upgrades with long-term servicing support approximately every two to three years. Microsoft will provide additional information in advance of publishing new feature upgrades so that IT administrators can make informed deployment planning decisions. Considerations when configuring devices for servicing updates only Before deciding to configure a device for LTSB-based servicing, IT administrators should carefully consider the implications of changing to a different servicing option later, and the effect of using Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB on the availability of in-box applications. Regarding edition changes, reconfiguring a device running Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB to run a different edition of Windows 10 requires a complete reinstallation. To simplify moving to a more recent feature upgrade release of Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB, IT administrators can perform in-place upgrades when installing feature upgrades corresponding to LTSB+1 or LTSB+2 (if available). Regarding in-box applications, Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB does not include all the universal apps that are included with other Windows 10 editions. This is because the universal apps included with Windows 10 will be continually upgraded by Microsoft, and new releases of in-box universal apps are unlikely to remain compatible with a feature upgrade of Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB for the duration of its servicing lifetime. Examples of apps that Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB does not include are Microsoft Edge, Windows Store Client, Cortana (limited search capabilities remain available), Outlook Mail, Outlook Calendar, OneNote, Weather, News, Sports, Money, Photos, Camera, Music, and Clock. Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB does include Internet Explorer 11, and is compatible with Windows 32 x86 versions of Microsoft Office. IT administrators can also install universal apps on devices when apps are compatible with the feature upgrades running on the device. They should do so with care, however, as servicing updates targeted for devices running Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB will not include security or non-security fixes for universal apps. Additionally, Microsoft will not provide servicing updates for specific releases of apps on any Windows 10 edition after the feature upgrade of Windows 10 with which the apps were included reaches the end of its servicing lifetime. http://vgy.me/0BBnch.png
localzuk Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 They've made it pretty difficult for us to be honest. I really don't like the idea of being forced to do a major update every 8 months, but I also don't like the idea of *never* getting features!!
Mustang Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Think of it this way. You have up to 8 months testing/install time after the update is released, thats a long time. We did a migration of over 2000 clients from XP to 7, Office 2003/2010 to Office 2013, Hardware dependant images to a modular image and pretty much all of the 200 odd applications updated in less than 6 months and we started from scratch. My point is that with Windows 10 the core OS is supposed to stay the same and only features/fixes will be add. You will already have your Group policies, Applications, etc in place and should only have to deal with the new features and anything that breaks within 8 months.
FN-GM Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Think of it this way. You have up to 8 months testing/install time after the update is released, thats a long time. We did a migration of over 2000 clients from XP to 7, Office 2003/2010 to Office 2013, Hardware dependant images to a modular image and pretty much all of the 200 odd applications updated in less than 6 months and we started from scratch. My point is that with Windows 10 the core OS is supposed to stay the same and only features/fixes will be add. You will already have your Group policies, Applications, etc in place and should only have to deal with the new features and anything that breaks within 8 months. But you won't have software support. SIMS is a good example. It takes them longer than 8 months to start supporting a new platform.
Arthur Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 SIMS is a good example. It takes them longer than 8 months to start supporting a new platform. Capita (and others) are going to have to work a bit faster than they usually do. I don't see why they can't expedite support for new versions of Windows.
localzuk Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Capita (and others) are going to have to work a bit faster than they usually do. I don't see why they can't expedite support for new versions of Windows. It'll cost more as they'll need more developers to work in less time.
sted Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Capita (and others) are going to have to work a bit faster than they usually do. I don't see why they can't expedite support for new versions of Windows. ah ha ha ha ha ha .... theres still parts of sims that use the Borland stuff. The chances of them working faster are I suspect nill unless they decide to scrap it all and go 100% cloud that way easy subscription money
LukeGillon Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 i have installed and built an image of win 10 on Very broadleaf Pc's using 240gb ssd's, now the issues i'm getting is when i replace the old hardrives and run through the updates on the new hardrive and image 3 out the 6 computers i've installed have different connections to the smartboards. some are connected via usb/vga, others are hdmi and some are just vga, the usb/vga connected are working great and the smartboard works fine, the problem i have got is with the other types of connection where the picture is being cut off down one side and i cannot alter the resolution of the display. thanks in advance
Michael Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 i have installed and built an image of win 10 on Very broadleaf Pc's using 240gb ssd's, now the issues i'm getting is when i replace the old hardrives and run through the updates on the new hardrive and image 3 out the 6 computers i've installed have different connections to the smartboards. some are connected via usb/vga, others are hdmi and some are just vga, the usb/vga connected are working great and the smartboard works fine, the problem i have got is with the other types of connection where the picture is being cut off down one side and i cannot alter the resolution of the display. thanks in advance [ATTACH=CONFIG]32879[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]32880[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]32881[/ATTACH] Why can't you adjust the resolution? 1
LukeGillon Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Why can't you adjust the resolution? I can adjust the resolution but it doesn't change that it is still cutting off the screen, i have asked very pc, and all i got was intel havnt released a driver update
Michael Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I can adjust the resolution but it doesn't change that it is still cutting off the screen, i have asked very pc, and all i got was intel havnt released a driver update So even if you reduce it down to 1024 x 768 it's still cut off? This is generally recommended so it's readable for pupils at a distance.
LeMarchand Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 @LukeGillon I'm impressed that the sides of the board aren't covered with those resources to the left - or did you remove them?
LukeGillon Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 no the resources are just to the left of the board and dont cover it and the resolution is set to 1600*900 as per recommended resolution and we are a special school with kids with autism
Michael Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 no the resources are just to the left of the board and dont cover it and the resolution is set to 1600*900 as per recommended resolution and we are a special school with kids with autism I would reduce it considerably, as the text must be tiny even on an 80" board.
localzuk Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 That is definitely some form of scaling problem - is basically sending the widescreen image to the projector and the projector isn't scaling it. Is there a setting in the menu on the projector for this?
LukeGillon Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 @Michael ill have a look and try your suggestion and @localzuk i cant see any settings on the projector i have looked unless im missing something
Gibson335 Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Given Microsoft's determination to move us into their cloud, I can't help but wonder whether these new pathways will ultimately lead to future releases - combined with perhaps future release for the new server versions - taking us to the stage where GPOs are gradually withdrawn, to the point where a domain-specific OS become impossible to manage. Recent MS events have clearly implied that Windows 10 is the first OS designed to encourage organisations away from domain use.
sted Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 i doubt they will take away existing gpos but you can look at gpp as proof of what your saying as basically its a way of deploying group policy settings ms didn't write and the lack of gpos for stuff like libraries. I honestly do think ms are preparing for a non domained environment and people using their own device. This is also why they have introduced stuff like work folders, I expect 2016 servers direct access not to require a domained pc, unmanageable (well easily) windows store, logging in with your ms account to sync settings across devices (and to some extend shove onedrive home in there). I honestly think the move away from domained environments by ms started in vista/7 its just more obvious in 8 and above
gshaw Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 MS will want people on Azure AD (you're able to join machines to it now) and products like the EMS Suite. That's where the subscription money is. Interestingly the OneDrive sync controls still use an internal domain as the boundary line but I guess that's a holding pattern until more advanced technology becomes available.
Gibson335 Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 i doubt they will take away existing gpos but you can look at gpp as proof of what your saying as basically its a way of deploying group policy settings ms didn't write and the lack of gpos for stuff like libraries. I honestly do think ms are preparing for a non domained environment and people using their own device. This is also why they have introduced stuff like work folders, I expect 2016 servers direct access not to require a domained pc, unmanageable (well easily) windows store, logging in with your ms account to sync settings across devices (and to some extend shove onedrive home in there). I honestly think the move away from domained environments by ms started in vista/7 its just more obvious in 8 and above Yes. More obvious, and I do suspect with 10 it is also being driven to provide fewer options for us in the future, as a full-scale move into the cloud is clearly taking longer than they had anticipated.
sted Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Yes. More obvious, and I do suspect with 10 it is also being driven to provide fewer options for us in the future, as a full-scale move into the cloud is clearly taking longer than they had anticipated. I don't think its so much that as a bit of a rethink as consumers are less likely to buy a windows pc/laptop than an android/ios device so a larger percentage of their users are corporate and I suspect techs are less happy the than average joe about going cloud based and like having control over pcs so they cant afford to annoy "us" that much
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