FN-GM Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 I wouldn't start deploying Windows 10 until at least SP1. I've given out win 10 to a few staff on some notebooks, they managed to get round fine with it. Navigation is great. But it's still buggy. Sometimes the search freezes, other times it fails to load programs. I even stuck it on a dual boot at home, but there's typically a massive error with SLi and the exact cards i am running windows 10, (not usually found in a work environment) but i'd suggest; if you have windows xp machines(or vista boohissboo). Reimage with windows 10. If not, keep w7 for the meantime. By all means, jump ahead and prep for w10 deployment with images and such. but in my opinion its not ready for an office environment just yet. If they can work Windows 7, they can work windows 10. You will be waiting a long time. There won't be any service packs for it. They went with Windows 8. On the surface it does look like a re-vamped Office 2010/2013, so I guess for the most part some additional features, more/better cloud integration and maybe more optimising in terms of speed. IE11 on Windows 10 was extremely fast compared to Windows 7 for example. I would like to see better support for Outlook Mail Merging. The features for this are rather limited.
Michael Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 I wouldn't start deploying Windows 10 until at least SP1. I've given out win 10 to a few staff on some notebooks, they managed to get round fine with it. Navigation is great. But it's still buggy. Sometimes the search freezes, other times it fails to load programs. I even stuck it on a dual boot at home, but there's typically a massive error with SLi and the exact cards i am running windows 10, (not usually found in a work environment) but i'd suggest; if you have windows xp machines(or vista boohissboo). Reimage with windows 10. If not, keep w7 for the meantime. By all means, jump ahead and prep for w10 deployment with images and such. but in my opinion its not ready for an office environment just yet. If they can work Windows 7, they can work windows 10. I doubt we'll see Service Packs - Microsoft have been more open that they basically want to start developing updates very similar to that of Apple's OSX. So yes, it may be numbered 10.1, 10.2 in time, but it'll be more a whole OS upgrade rather than just fixing bugs.
halbaradkenafin Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 I wouldn't start deploying Windows 10 until at least SP1. Might be waiting quite a while for that as they aren't doing Service Packs anymore (and haven't since W7).
JATSO Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 Had this conversation with a teacher, "Can I Install Windows 10 Upgrade that Microsoft is so kindly offering me?" My answer "If it isn't broke' don't try and fix it": Might do it in about 18 months but then again might wait until Windows 7 dies.
snagrat Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 I am deploying over the summer at one of our customers. They are a Microsoft Partner school mind so need to be seen to be pushing the boundaries!
Ralph1337 Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 How's it going to work for support then? Install a fresh copy of windows 10 and download an additional few gigs worth of updates to eventually replace the entire OS? which is essentially what a service pack is, only clumped together.
Michael Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 I wonder how many people are going to 'try' and install the free version within school, just because it's free Just forget about the fact you can't join it to the domain, who cares, it's free...
Michael Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 How's it going to work for support then? Install a fresh copy of windows 10 and download an additional few gigs worth of updates to eventually replace the entire OS? which is essentially what a service pack is, only clumped together. You'll find (for example) they'll start including new versions of say Microsoft Edge (their new browser) within these new 10.1, 10.2 updates, rather than release the browser separately. The same could be said for maybe new revisions of Media Player and .NET Framework - all will included in a single pack and not separately. It is a better model to work with. At the moment you could be running Windows 7 SP1 with IE8, IE9, IE10 or IE11, which isn't always helpful from a support perspective. 1
gaz350b Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 Developing and testing over the Summer, running Pilots across the school in late 2015 with deployment on mass in summer 2016. Depending on how successful the pilots are, there may be movement in either direction on mass deployment.
jertsy Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 I'm going to get the image going and do some testing. I usually like to build small pockets of pc's so that users get used to the new interface. Then probably build the whole site during summer 2016.
sted Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 ill probably have a suite or 2 in schools set up to dual boot 7/10 and try it that way rather than deploy it to pcs directly
Ralph1337 Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 You'll find (for example) they'll start including new versions of say Microsoft Edge (their new browser) within these new 10.1, 10.2 updates, rather than release the browser separately. The same could be said for maybe new revisions of Media Player and .NET Framework - all will included in a single pack and not separately. It is a better model to work with. At the moment you could be running Windows 7 SP1 with IE8, IE9, IE10 or IE11, which isn't always helpful from a support perspective. Isn't that like comparing Apples and sliced apples? all will included in a single pack like some sort of packed service update.. sounds vaguely familiar but I think I get what you're saying.
Michael Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 Isn't that like comparing Apples and sliced apples? like some sort of packed service update.. sounds vaguely familiar but I think I get what you're saying. Not sure what you mean by Apples and sliced Apples? Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 is very much the same model Microsoft will adopt for Windows 10. IE11 was included in Windows 8.1 and cannot be downloaded separately for the original Windows 8. I think this is a good move overall, as us techs will only need to check the version of Windows running and not all other varying installed components of the OS.
Arthur Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 You'll find (for example) they'll start including new versions of say Microsoft Edge (their new browser) within these new 10.1, 10.2 updates, rather than release the browser separately. Edge will be included with Windows 10 and kept up-to-date through the Windows Store so they are (kind of) releasing the browser separately since it's just like all of the other apps in the store. I reckon new features like extension support will be added to Edge before we see a Windows 10.1.
Michael Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 Edge will be included with Windows 10 and kept up-to-date through the Windows Store so they are (kind of) releasing the browser separately since it's just like all of the other apps in the store. I reckon new features like extension support will be added to Edge before we see a Windows 10.1. I agree, Edge security updates will be released as normal, but Edge version 2.0 will probably only be available in Windows 10.1 for example.
Ralph1337 Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) Not sure what you mean by Apples and sliced Apples? Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 is very much the same model Microsoft will adopt for Windows 10. IE11 was included in Windows 8.1 and cannot be downloaded separately for the original Windows 8. I think this is a good move overall, as us techs will only need to check the version of Windows running and not all other varying installed components of the OS. Apple being a service pack and slices of said apple being individual updates, But I get the gist of it; only one version of IE will be on windows 10 and so when it updates it will be 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 etc. Which, yes, is great news for a techy and for all round troubleshooting, however a service pack as collection of updates; say 2 years from launch, Are you expecting each and every machine (home use or without WSUS) installed with a fresh install to download every existing update upto the current version or will they release an updated 'version' of windows 10 to put onto physical media. (AKA SP1 (or what ever they want to not call it). Microsoft can say they're not doing service packs any more, but just because you don't call an apple an apple doesn't make it so. Windows 10, version 102093. Windows 8->8.1 (that's a service pack) Unless i'm wrong? Edited June 8, 2015 by Ralph1337
mikkydoos Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 I pretty much always stay one version back. On 7 at the mo, I wont be deploying Win 8 however because its awful, so maybe summer 16 possibly 17.
Arthur Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 Apple being a service pack and slices of said apple being individual updates Every time Apple releases an update to OS X, they also update OS X in the Mac App Store so that it has the latest update integrated. e.g. 10.10.3. This means you can download the entire Apple if you wanted to. or will they release an updated 'version' of windows 10 to put onto physical media. I read somewhere that Microsoft are going to release updated ISOs every so often with the latest updates integrated (a bit like with Windows 8.1 and the ISOs you download from here). That should make deployment easier and quicker. It's a shame Microsoft didn't do this with Windows 7 since the amount of post-SP1 updates you have to install is getting ridiculous. Windows 8->8.1 (that's a service pack) Unless i'm wrong? I wouldn't call it a service pack. 1
Arthur Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 but Edge version 2.0 will probably only be available in Windows 10.1 for example. Wouldn't that mean that enterprises who are on the long-term servicing branch potentially may never receive non-security updates for Edge?
Ralph1337 Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 Every time Apple releases an update to OS X, they also update OS X in the Mac App Store so that it has the latest update integrated. e.g. 10.10.3. This means you can download the entire Apple if you wanted to. Okay, I meant the fruit, metaphorically, but it still works that way. Maybe i should have chosen a different fruit.. or pie. everyone loves pie. I read somewhere that Microsoft are going to release updated ISOs every so often with the latest updates integrated (a bit like with Windows 8.1 and the ISOs you download from here). That should make deployment easier and quicker. .... like windows 10 sp1 version 2? I wouldn't call it a service pack. Neither did Microsoft, but a pie is still a pie..
Arthur Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 .... like windows 10 sp1 version 2? Probably Windows 10: June 2016 Update and Windows 10: October 2016 Update.
Arthur Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 I agree, Edge security updates will be released as normal, but Edge version 2.0 will probably only be available in Windows 10.1 for example. Enterprises on the LTSB won't get Edge at all so they will be stuck with IE11 for the next 10 years! www.zdnet.com/article/some-windows-10-enterprise-users-wont-get-microsofts-edge-browser/ The LTSB is an option available only to Windows 10 Enterprise customers. Machines on the LTSB will receive only security and hot fixes, and no new features, for ten years. LTSB is an option for customers running mission-critical or otherwise locked-down applications who cannot risk having new features and feature updates pushed to them. One could argue that anyone who doesn't want new features and feature updates will likely be running Internet Explorer 11 -- which will be available to Windows 10 PC and laptop users -- rather than the new Edge browser. Microsoft is making IE11 available to Windows 10 PC customers for legacy support reasons. But the reason Microsoft won't provide Edge to Enterprise users on LTSB is because the company expects to roll out new features and feature updates to Edge on a regular basis, as both Gartner and Microsoft officials note. That means it would be kind of pointless to include the evolving Edge browser if it's not going to be updated.
FN-GM Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 Enterprises on the LTSB won't get Edge at all so they will be stuck with IE11 for the next 10 years! www.zdnet.com/article/some-windows-10-enterprise-users-wont-get-microsofts-edge-browser/ So basically stick with IE 11 or move to another browser?
Arthur Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 So basically stick with IE 11 or move to another browser? Unfortunately yes.
FN-GM Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 I fail to see any logic in this. Chrome may get a boost in large networks because of it.
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