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MatthewL

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Who are you going to vote for?  

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  1. 1. Who are you going to vote for?

    • Conservatives
      71
    • Labour
      89
    • Lib Dems
      19
    • UKIP
      40
    • BNP
      0
    • Greens
      41
    • SNP
      2
    • Plaid Cymru
      1
    • DUP
      0
    • Sinn Fein
      0
    • SDLP
      0
    • Other
      6
    • Will not vote
      26
    • Spoiled ballot paper
      11

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localzuk

localzuk

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Tell that to the general public then, the very people the politicians are selling themselves to.

 

Pretty sure I am part of the general public, as are the prisoner families, the Prison Reform Trust staff etc... You're trying to claim something that is quite simply not true.

unixman_again

unixman_again

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Australia has interesting laws concerning prisoners:

  • "If you are serving a full-time prison sentence of less than three years you can vote in federal elections."
  • "If your sentence is three years or longer, you can remain on the roll but you are not entitled to vote until you are released from prison."

I suspect the three year period is as a result of elections being held every three years; if your sentence is less than one parliament you can vote but if it is more than a parliament, you can't. Prisoners can either vote via a postal vote or if a mobile voting team may visit a prison.

tmcd35

tmcd35

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Australia has interesting laws concerning prisoners:

 

I find it interesting that Australia has interesting laws concerning prisoners...;)

sparkeh

sparkeh

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Australia has interesting laws concerning prisoners:

  • "If you are serving a full-time prison sentence of less than three years you can vote in federal elections."
  • "If your sentence is three years or longer, you can remain on the roll but you are not entitled to vote until you are released from prison."

I suspect the three year period is as a result of elections being held every three years; if your sentence is less than one parliament you can vote but if it is more than a parliament, you can't. Prisoners can either vote via a postal vote or if a mobile voting team may visit a prison.

In some countries the removal of the vote is considered as part of your punishment so the seriousness of the crime and length of sentence effects how long you can't vote for.

localzuk

localzuk

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If anyone is interested, it appears that Lib Dems and Green both support the right for prisoners to vote. Tories are obviously against. Does anyone have the policies for the other parties?
Garacesh

Garacesh

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Australia has interesting laws concerning prisoners:

  • "If you are serving a full-time prison sentence of less than three years you can vote in federal elections."
  • "If your sentence is three years or longer, you can remain on the roll but you are not entitled to vote until you are released from prison."

I suspect the three year period is as a result of elections being held every three years; if your sentence is less than one parliament you can vote but if it is more than a parliament, you can't. Prisoners can either vote via a postal vote or if a mobile voting team may visit a prison.

I actually think that's a fair compromise. I'd be happy for something like that here.

 

I find it interesting that Australia has interesting laws concerning prisoners...;)

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sparkeh

sparkeh

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A lot of good work has been done by organisations like the PRT and the Howard League for Penal Reform (which incidently has been going since 1866 so people have been caring about prisoners for a long time), to think that a riot is solely responsible for changes to the prison system is uninformed and naive.
zag

zag

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Another map of how Britain voted last time

 

http://www.simplegov.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/492px-2010UKElectionMap.svg_.png

zag

zag

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Farmers love the tories. All them nice cheap workers coming in and working on zero hour contracts for dodgy agencies or cash in hand employment groups. All the subsidies to grow stuff at a loss to keep the supermarkets happy while pleading poverty to back up the 'were all in it together' idea.

 

Haha you actually used the phrase "zero hour contract".

 

It was invented by the labour election team to score political points and really doesn't exist in a simple form. You could call them flexible work contracts, or university leave contracts. Doesnt sound so bad now does it :)

 

If the tories loose this election it will be because:

 

- They didn't get the boundary changes through (take a look at the map above to see how its skewed geographically in favour of labour)

- They didn't crack down on the BBC enough. Their front page looks like labours manifesto a couple of days ago and everything has a pro labour spin on it.

- Cameron has made some mistakes about not campaigning enough with the people and turning down the debates.

- They ignored the genuine concerns of the UKIP voters about Europe and Immigration.

 

Its looking more and more likely that Labour will slip in with the help of the Scottish National party but it really is so close.

localzuk

localzuk

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Haha you actually used the phrase "zero hour contract".

 

It was invented by the labour election team to score political points and really doesn't exist in a simple form. You could call them flexible work contracts, or university leave contracts. Doesnt sound so bad now does it :)

 

Its a good term though, as the contracts are "zero guaranteed hours". They provide no job security and are, in most cases now, being used to the disadvantage of the employees. So, call them what you want but they are not good for employees. That said, the term has existed since at least 2005 (when the Wikipedia article was first created).

 

They didn't crack down on the BBC enough. Their front page looks like labours manifesto a couple of days ago and everything has a pro labour spin on it.

 

I always find this sort of comment amusing for one simple reason - it comes from all sides. UKIP have accused the BBC of being biased, as have Labour, the Tories, the Lib Dems and SNP. Everyone calls the BBC biased - their stats for complaints of bias are nearly always pretty equal also. I remember seeing a set of stats a while back of a politics show which had nearly equal numbers of complaints saying it was pro and anti Labour/Tories.

sted

sted

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Haha you actually used the phrase "zero hour contract".

 

It was invented by the labour election team to score political points and really doesn't exist in a simple form. You could call them flexible work contracts, or university leave contracts. Doesnt sound so bad now does it :)

 

If the tories loose this election it will be because:

 

- They didn't get the boundary changes through (take a look at the map above to see how its skewed geographically in favour of labour)

- They didn't crack down on the BBC enough. Their front page looks like labours manifesto a couple of days ago and everything has a pro labour spin on it.

- Cameron has made some mistakes about not campaigning enough with the people and turning down the debates.

- They ignored the genuine concerns of the UKIP voters about Europe and Immigration.

 

Its looking more and more likely that Labour will slip in with the help of the Scottish National party but it really is so close.

 

id also add their campaign seems to mainly be look what labour may do they suck rather than vote us because we will do this and i cant believe im the only one who has had enough of snarky advertising

sparkeh

sparkeh

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Haha you actually used the phrase "zero hour contract".

 

It was invented by the labour election team to score political points and really doesn't exist in a simple form. You could call them flexible work contracts, or university leave contracts. Doesnt sound so bad now does it :)

Any evidence that Labour invented the term? I just don't think that's true. Iain Duncan Smith doesn't know and I'm sure he (and the rest of the party) would jump on if it were true.

Quote by Iain Duncan Smith

Zero-hour contract is badly named – I don’t know whoever came up with that idea.

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If the tories loose this election it will be because:

 

- They didn't get the boundary changes through (take a look at the map above to see how its skewed geographically in favour of labour)

I actually agree with this. But boundary changes are hard anyway, of course PR could sort that out.

- They didn't crack down on the BBC enough. Their front page looks like labours manifesto a couple of days ago and everything has a pro labour spin on it.

Then they also need to crack down on the right wing press which look like Tory election material (let's trumpet when Tories take the lead in the polls but ignore it when Labour regain lead) ;)

- Cameron has made some mistakes about not campaigning enough with the people and turning down the debates.

Tough one to call that. On balance I think he got it wrong and should have taken part but then would the anti-austerity parties ganged up and took him apart?

- They ignored the genuine concerns of the UKIP voters about Europe and Immigration.

True. Polls seem to indicate that Tory voters are currently slipping toward UKIP and, to a lesser extent, Libs (which is a surprise).

Its looking more and more likely that Labour will slip in with the help of the Scottish National party but it really is so close.

Yeah I think this will happen to. But will the Tories see a late swing (incumbents usually get a boost on election day from the undecided sticking with the status quo).

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Andrew_C

Andrew_C

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If the tories loose this election it will be because:

 

- They didn't get the boundary changes through. See GerryMandering. They would have done it if they could.

- They didn't crack down on the BBC enough. That is SO tired it isn't true. Next week the Labour party will be making the same claims. The BBC are probably the least biased news agency in the country.

- Cameron has made some mistakes about crippling the NHS and making the weakest in society pay for his policies. That is why he is unpopular.

- They ignored the genuine concerns of the UKIP about the lack of Brownshirts on the streets.

witch

witch

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Cameron would have a much better chance (and, showing my hand, boo hiss) if he actually spoke to real people. But, as with the debates, it just looks like he is scared.

Bringing Boris into it doesn't help either.

All this "we will do this and that" - why not do it during the last year when the economy was recovering? Oh yeah, because there is an election coming! Of course, how silly of me.

 

The Tories are going to cut disabled and other benefits again. How anyone can get behind this is beyond me.

£19 per week benefits cut for working age claimants under Tories

zag

zag

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The Tories are going to cut disabled and other benefits again. How anyone can get behind this is beyond me.

 

I don't think anyone is behind cutting real disabled benefits, but there was a huge need after the election to weed out the fraudulent claims.

 

I think the old incapacity benefit was incredibly easy to scam.

 

I guess I'm a tory because I believe that people are better in jobs that on benefits all their life ;)

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