Dos_Box Posted June 5, 2014 Author Posted June 5, 2014 I was shocked that when walking around my school the head asked me what was wrong with the old ink jet printer and I said it was "K*******d" she looked at me and said YOU CANT SAY THAT IN A SCHOOL and all the children looked at me only later to my horror did I find it wasn't an 'appropriate word' my family have always said that thought nothing of it so I think sometimes no matter what you say someone, somewhere will be offended and think you used an offensive word where as in the persons mind they may not think they have done anything wrong. Normally if I say a swear word on a forum it's in the form of $£%!&£% characters are we not allowed to do this either? Characters are allowed in principle, but as always the method in which they are employed is everything and they still may be judged as not in character with the EduGeek ethos. 3
Dos_Box Posted June 5, 2014 Author Posted June 5, 2014 I should have added that context is everything. If you have just discovered that all your backup tapes are corrupted and your servers have just gone down then using a few characters and 'ds is fine. Just complaining that Simon Cowells latest production line act is a 'Talentless &^$£' is not, as it is clear what is meant. There is a diffence between hitting your thumb with a hammer and spitting in the street. Or forums as the case may be.
abillybob Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 @elsiegee40, see this is where it gets interesting (I'm just stating this to kind of make my point) The word K*******d isn't actually a swear word after doing some research, it is a slang word created a long time ago in olden days a horse would be taken to a Knacker to be put down, it was also called a Knackers front yard and by transference to be K*******d means so tired and exhausted you couldn't do any more work. So what you may see as a nasty word others may not. Please don't misunderstand this comment it is not an attack at you neither is it me arguing the fact that people should be allowed to swear on this forum, I'm all for stopping swear words, but I do believe there is a fine line between censorship and free speech and who's to make that judgement call that a word such as K*******d shouldn't be allowed? imo only Chris as he is the one who created the website and in real terms it's like us visiting his house. I think you need to be specific on the words we can and cannot use, it may sound a bit overboard but as K*******d is technically slang and not a swear word why have you blocked it? Just a thought I will leave now
Ephelyon Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 It's always the modern context that is important. The actual etymology of the word has little relevance as they almost all have origins that were entirely innocuous, such as the F-word which is derived from an old Germanic root for "to breed". Hence the (modern) Dutch sentence: "Ik fok honden." / "I breed dogs." A more, shall we say, "literal-sounding" version of that translation was once famously uttered by a Dutch woman - improvising without her dictionary - in front of the press...
elsiegee40 Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 It is not a swear word, perhaps, but it is inappropriate in a primary school. These threads are read and filtered in the professional settings of such schools and language will be reported and edited as if the context was within a primary school with children about.
localzuk Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Wait, what? K&*(^*(d is a swear word?! Never heard that before! Looking it up, all I can find it is that it is "informal".
LeMarchand Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Must say, I was surprised to hear people considering the "k" word to be a swear word. Coarse, possibly, but not a swear word. However, obviously in @abillybob's area they have other ideas. Maybe we should think of it more as making sure we only use language that a devout Christian would use when talking to a member of the priesthood.
elsiegee40 Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 It is not a swear word, perhaps, but it is inappropriate in a primary school. These threads are read and filtered in the professional settings of such schools and language will be reported and edited as if the context was within a primary school with children about. I refer you to my previous answer
Theblacksheep Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Maybe we should think of it more as making sure we only use language that a devout Christian would use when talking to a member of the priesthood. : I was thinking this when someone modded me for once. (soon to be twice) Edited June 5, 2014 by elsiegee40 never refuse a challenge ;) 1
elsiegee40 Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 I was thinking this when someone modded me for once. (soon to be twice) When it is being used as a curse then it will be. And you are talking about the curse here. If you were bleeding then it is acceptable.
elsiegee40 Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 its a language intensifier though not a swear word. Either way, it is not language you would use infront of primary children!
sted Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 there are iffy words out there was once asked to remove the word slag from some software or other to me (from a mining area) its has a different meaning to what the teacher was thinking. but k* dosent even register as anything other than tired to me. I suspect some words are more objectionable depending on locality
elsiegee40 Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) We can all think of words that becoming more offensive in one context than another, e.g. the birds great tits and ruddy ducks. Like Dos_Box said, context is everything. If in doubt think about whether you would use it in that context in front of a class of primary kids... or whether someone else is likely to pull you up for using it in that context in front of a class of primary school kids Edited June 5, 2014 by elsiegee40
Dos_Box Posted June 5, 2014 Author Posted June 5, 2014 The 'someone elses house' analogy is actually very apt. When visiting someone house for the first time you don't request a list of do's and don'ts. Nor do you storm into the living room put your feet on the coffee table and let loose a string of profanities. You respect their house. You shouldn't have to tell a guest in your house how to behave. EduGeek is the community it is because of these rules, not despite of them. 1
speckytecky Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 I don't agree with your point of view @Galway - I'm from a farming then Royal Air Force Police background and as my wife frequently points out tend to swear far too much. However, I pride myself (I think) for having an Edugeek record of not having sworn once on the Forum in the now 10 (I think) years I have been a frequent flyer. I swear, but im not an "uneducated red top reader". I am offended by that accusation and would like an apology. 1
witch Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 This is not up for discussion. This is @Dos_Box 's house and he can make any rule he likes whether you like it or not. IMHO having a variety of swearwords at your disposal means that your vocabulary is in fact quite limited as you do not use all the other qualifiers, describing words, adverbs or whatever at your disposal. Moderators do their very best to keep the forums professional, relevant and friendly - this takes time and effort but we do it because we believe in edugeek and what it is doing to make the world of IT better for all of us.
RichCowell Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 I didn't know there was a no-swearing rule, I thought we were all just decent folk... I love that there is one though... I don't swear, ever, and I do tend to judge people that do regularly or unnecessarily, or out of habit... but it's just one of those things... I don't consider myself "holier than thou" either lol, I have many faults :-P
X-13 Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Like Dos_Box said, context is everything. If in doubt think about whether you would use it in that context in front of a class of primary kids... or whether someone else is likely to pull you up for using it in that context in front of a class of primary school kids I've used "tired" [iykwim] multiple times and have never been pulled up for it. I work in primary. Also, +1 Dos' forum; Dos' rules. Edited June 5, 2014 by X-13
plexer Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 I've used "tired" [iykwim] multiple times and have never been pulled up for it. I work in primary. Just because you've never been pulled up on something doesn't make it right or ok. It's been stated at the beginning of this thread that as a professional forum we don't expect members to include expletives in their posts and whilst this might include words you may not personally find offensive other people might therefore you are being asked to abide by the rules. Some may call it censorship and that's fine it's Dos_Box's house and we all play by his rules. Suck it up and get over it people. Ben
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