Fibre on demand?

[nicholab]

Is any school looking at using the new Fibre on demand service form BT when ISP role it out as either their main or second internet feed?

[AngryTechnician]

I'd love to, but I'll never convince the facilities manager to let BT dig up the car park to run the fibre!

[localzuk]

We'll probably have a look if and when it is available down here! Which may take a while...

[nicholab]

Overhead poles is how we had fibre delivered.

[AngryTechnician]

Overhead poles is how we had fibre delivered.

 

Interesting... veeeerrry interesting.

[cpjitservices]

Yes, Fiber is now being rolled out in some areas on local telegraph poles.

 

T'is true - I was surprised to hear this.

[sparkeh]

My last school had fibre over poles years ago. Worked well.

[zag]

Yeh ours comes in over a simple pole 5 years ago. Think it only cost a couple of grand for the install anyway.

 

Annual cost is 12k a year for 100mbit though on a corporate circuit

[localzuk]

You're lucky zag. Cheapest we can get is about £18-19k commercial.

[Jamman960]

Will probably go for this if it becomes available, we're currently using FTTC for our connection.

[psillars]

BT have increasingly started using poles to deliver fibre. Some of this has come about from the change in OFCOM rulings a few years ago that allowed other contractors, like ourselves, to use current poles or BT ducts to put our own fibres through. This has then opened the market a little (not a lot) and meant that digging is not now the only option, although it is still the preferred.

[SchoolsBroadband]

Is any school looking at using the new Fibre on demand service form BT when ISP role it out as either their main or second internet feed?

 

We've actually already installed FTTP for a school on the Bradwell Abbey Exchange in Milton Keynes. It's been a massive success with the school getting speeds of over 100Mbit.

This was on one of BT's few trial exchanges.

 

It's going to be interesting to see prices from broadband providers on FTTP and how contended the service is. It costs an ISP £48.55 per Mbit per month using BTs' 21CN network which both FTTC and FTTP use. Therefore in theory if a customer of ours took a 330Mbit FTTP based service and maxed it out it'd cost us 330 x £48.55 x 0.95 (95th percentile rule) which would equate to £15,220 per month!!!!! And that's before Internet transit costs, the FTTP service cost etc.

 

Therefore FTTP on any ISP's network will be a contended service. It's all about managing the Interconnects ISP's have into BT and giving a good end user experience.

 

Mind you I can only see the bandwidth prices from BT to ISPs go one way and that's down after BT's new network starts to pay for itself and they can get a return on investment.

 

From looking at networks statistics even for a large primary school, FTTC is more than ample.

 

Thanks

 

Dave

[localzuk]

£48.55 per Mbit?! What kinda ridiculous pricing scheme is that?! Is that the charge from BT Wholesale or whatever they're called then? So, does BT Retail get charged that same amount I wonder?

[sparkeh]

So, does BT Retail get charged that same amount I wonder?

Kinda thought it had to these days.

[SchoolsBroadband]

£48.55 per Mbit?! What kinda ridiculous pricing scheme is that?! Is that the charge from BT Wholesale or whatever they're called then? So, does BT Retail get charged that same amount I wonder?

 

Yes, BT charge us that and then also the rental of the 10GIG interconnect into them. The price is actually fixed for all ISP's to buy at that price on Wholesale Broadband Managed Connect (WBMC).

 

You should see the 20CN prices on old ADSL Max (up to 8Mbit) circuits. The price is over £100 per Mbt ...

 

So yes its chuffing expensive !!!!

[Michael]

I see no reason why fibre can't be installed pole to building. In many schools they have internal fibre links running building to building. So long as it's installed properly, it should be absolutely fine. Of course I'd always recommend fibre cables in the ground first wherever possible. It's more weather resistant and practically vandal proof too.

[timbo343]

We have just had FTTC install by talktalk business, now seeing about 30mb down and 11mb up. A massive jump from 8mb down and 0.8mb up. Managing to do this at £50 per month.