PS4 Announced

[Theblacksheep]

That's crazy. Unless I'm somehow missing the darker corners of the Internet where all the complaints are, the problems don't appear to be that bad. For a million sales the US playstation forum is relatively quiet all things considered.

 

I'll wait for the mass media to start screaming about the 1000s of upset customers before I start questioning my pre-order.

 

The main two problems appear to be a potentially dodgy HDMI port that is easily fixable with a pin if you examine it before hand and the PSN being down.

 

A very small number have either fan/heating issues or faulty blu-ray, but they appear to be much rarer than the rare HDMI issue.

 

There also seems to be a number of system freezes. Not sure if these are related to PSN being down or an initial firmware/hard drive issue. If the later it seems resolvable with a new firmware download. Since I'm replacing the HDD day one that problem should be nipped in the bud.

 

With the internet today, one man's problem is shared with everyone and suddenly it's a problem for everyone.

 

Some people are looking for and highlighting only bad news on the PS4. Even edugeek has seen some people only post opinionated negative comments on this thread while on other pages they are only positive. They say bad news travels fast and some like being the messenger. I'm not sure if people are insecure about their own decisions or just want to make other people feel bad.

 

There's same good analysis of the issues highlighting the realistic scale here:

» PS4 “BLOD” ANALYSIS | Level Zero

 

I cancelled by Game pre-order because I've got one pre-ordered elsewhere. Insurance. I know others have done the same with various shops.

Edited November 17, 2013 by Theblacksheep

[featured_spectre]

Spoke with friend just now on FB whilst he is on his break. 2 sets of parents came in, complaining to game about what they've read on the internet and wanted to cancel. Now to be fair, it is a Sony issue, not a reseller. Yet the resellers are getting the bad rep and not Sony. The HDMI port, should have been discovered at manufacture, and if they say its from the weight of all the other boxes on top, then they should have packaged it properly, again going to Sony.

 

Seems Sony here, even though it is their fault (and its a small margin of consoles having the fault), the resellers are getting the grief!

[tmcd35]

From a consumer point of view, at least in the UK, the contract is with the retailer, so yeah they would "get the flack".

 

Given the small number of HDMI ports effected, or at least reported so far, the blame is with the manufacturer - Foxconn? - not Sony. Given it's a weekend, it'd be more interesting tomorrow to see what Sony do about it and if there are further negative reports.

 

I find it sad that people would cancel a pre-order on the basis of couple of hundred Amazon comments (who must have sold tens of thousands) and barely a handful of youtube videos.

 

If there was a major problem I'd have expected the Internet would be more a flame than it us right now.

 

I'm sure Microsoft are hoping Friday will go equally as smoothly.

[X-13]

From a consumer point of view, at least in the UK, the contract is with the retailer, so yeah they would "get the flack".

 

Given the small number of HDMI ports effected, or at least reported so far, the blame is with the manufacturer - Foxconn? - not Sony. Given it's a weekend, it'd be more interesting tomorrow to see what Sony do about it and if there are further negative reports.

 

I find it sad that people would cancel a pre-order on the basis of couple of hundred Amazon comments (who must have sold tens of thousands) and barely a handful of youtube videos.

 

If there was a major problem I'd have expected the Internet would be more a flame than it us right now.

 

I'm sure Microsoft are hoping Friday will go equally as smoothly.

 

The last time I saw it, there was about 40% 1 star reviews on amazon because of this.

 

If it IS sabotage from Foxconn emplyees, then it's in no way Sony's fault. [Apart from contracting a known abusive company to make the consoles.]

 

Xbone has 10% of the consoles being made by Foxconn, it'll be interesting the see the DoA ratio for those ones. If it's high, then the sabotage claim seems legit.

[tmcd35]

The last time I saw it, there was about 40% 1 star reviews on amazon because of this.

 

That's a disingenuous figure though. What we're really talking about is 500 known complaints out of whatever Amazon's allocation of the 1 million sold was. Not 40%.

[Theblacksheep]

If you like that sorta thing the PS4 can do basic voice commands by using the additional camera or a simple headset (a standard 3.5mm jack (crappy one is supplied)) plugged into a DS4:

 

Operating the system with your voice | PlayStation®4 User's Guide

 

The function is also available to games if they want to use it. The NBA game uses it. No extra cameras required.

Edited November 17, 2013 by Theblacksheep

[ZeroHour]

If you like that sorta thing the PS4 can do basic voice commands by using the additional camera or a simple headset (a standard 3.5mm jack (crappy one is supplied)) plugged into a DS4:

 

Operating the system with your voice | PlayStation®4 User's Guide

 

The function is also available to games if they want to use it. The NBA game uses it. No extra cameras required.

 

Just read that, hopefully sony will be fast adding voice controls for apps sdk and video as its a bit limited just launching an app currently.

To follow on with a bit more details about languages etc: PlayStation 4 voice commands limited for launch - GameSpot

 

The NBA game sounded interesting but I cant find a list of voice commands?

I hope they bring things more like Skyrim's voice controls "equip fire spell left" etc as that was much faster then ingame UI (although that could have been better all round) although some hate the idea of speaking out loud while in a game

[featured_spectre]

If the voice commands dont interfere with gameplay during a party game then brilliant. However the fanboys have jumped on this already and said they are copying MS too much. To be fair, Sony needed too as they lacked. Next thing they need is a sensor for motion control. Haha

[Theblacksheep]

However the fanboys have jumped on this already and said they are copying MS too much. To be fair, Sony needed too as they lacked.

 

Shows how much they know, voice control and gesture control worked on the PS3 with the PS3 camera/mic combo. The terrible Tom Clancys Endwar made use of it. Sony have made voice control without the need camera on PS4 and at an OS level rather than software API.

Edited November 18, 2013 by Theblacksheep

[X-13]

Next thing they need is a sensor for motion control.

 

Like the Playstation EyeToy from 2003?

 

Or the upgraded Playstation Eye from 2007?

 

Or even the NEW Playstation 4 Eye?

 

[tmcd35]

Like the Playstation EyeToy from 2003?

 

The Sixaxis controller first introduced in 2006 have giroscopic motion sensors built in - just like the iPhone.

 

Motion sensing technology is so last decade

[X-13]

Motion sensing technology is so last decade

 

Last decade?

 

It's older than that!

[rickjames]

Woo gaming! Talking to your friends on the Internet! Killing baddies with guns! YEAH!

[rickjames]

p.s I'm already on coffee number two

[X-13]

Killing baddies with guns!

 

Wait... do THEY have guns or are you using a gun to kill THEM?

 

It's an important distinction.

 

Also, random off-topic question: Why are there no female enemies?

 

p.s I'm already on coffee number two

 

I'm about to join you... I stupidly stayed up until 3am watching Legend of Korra. [still have the finale to watch.]

[rickjames]

I don't know what that is and woke up at various points throughout the night scared about my fantasy football team. Down by 7 with 1 player left, he has none. GO ME. Or something.

[tmcd35]

 

Also, random off-topic question: Why are there no female enemies?

 

First two Arkham Games - Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn. I'm sure I've assassinated atleast one female in atleast one of the Assassins Creed games (even if it was an accident/random passer-by - scrap that, it was on purpose. Those bloody annoying begger women.)

[CAM]

Like the Playstation EyeToy from 2003?

 

I remember these! Someone modified some Logitech drivers so they could be plugged in to a PC as a webcam, that was a great bit of tinkering to get working.

[Theblacksheep]

Also, random off-topic question: Why are there no female enemies?

 

MGS4 had some great female enemies.

[DMcGuigan]

First two Arkham Games - Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn. I'm sure I've assassinated atleast one female in atleast one of the Assassins Creed games (even if it was an accident/random passer-by - scrap that, it was on purpose. Those bloody annoying begger women.)

 

I assassinated one last night on AC4, side mission quest for an outfit, so it was on purpose

[featured_spectre]

Playstation Eye was a camera, not motion sensor. The camera didn't do much for your games in reality compared to say playstation move/nintendo wii/kinect

[tmcd35]

Playstation Eye was a camera, not motion sensor. The camera didn't do much for your games in reality compared to say playstation move/nintendo wii/kinect

 

Kinda true, but not quite. Bear in mind we're talking PS2 days here - so predates Kinect by some. Sure it was very low res, poor quality and almost nobody other than Sony ever developed for it. But I do remember playing one or two party games on my sisters one. I remember something about cleaning windows? You'd wave your arms to wipe the soap suds off the screen. The Eye never needed the move controllers for motion sensing - they were just a lot more arcurate with them. Sure Kinect is the better tech if you like that sort of thing. Personally I'd rather sit on the couch with the DualShock controller.

[Theblacksheep]

Playstation Eye was a camera, not motion sensor. The camera didn't do much for your games in reality compared to say playstation move/nintendo wii/kinect

 

But software using the camera could sense motion and track objects.

 

Move and the PSeye evolved from this earlier idea. You specifically mentioned MS fanboys saying Sony copied MS, the idea was implemented along time ago. Its alot easier with modern computers and specialist hardware.

[featured_spectre]

I am not denying the camera was the precursor, but they had the chance for the PS3 to make a sensor bar (like the Wii/kinect) and be ahead of the game and have MS fanboys in a rage. Unfortunately they developed the Move and Six-Axis. Whilst Six-Axis I think should be licenced for all consoles as its a cracking piece of kit, the move should be dropped, and a sensor bar developed. That way they can have things like the kinect on the PS4.

[tmcd35]

Well you could argue that the new PS4 Eye is exactly that - a motion sensor bar not tied to Move, it is the Kinect on PS4. Personally I don't see what the fuss is about. Everyone I've ever met who has owned PSEye/Move/Wii/Kinnect has used is barely a dozen times and then collects dust.