tom_newton

What proxy are you using? You could ask it not to auth for those domains, if your proxy supports such magic.

Indeed they are. Seem to be a reputable bunch of lads as well.

Yes, it's a leeds based role (though plenty of travel) I am afraid - we're a bit odd in our "dual home" nature! Southampton have all tech support, whilst we do sales up here in Leeds, but we have a dedicated team for planning, pre-sales help and installs, and they live here with me in Leeds. Eventually, I imagine we will get a dedicated arm of pre-sales lodged in the support office, and possibly vice-versa, but who knows. FWIW, there's a similar opportunity in the Southern California area if anyone is interested.

Whatcha need 18 months for?

vik, Start date - we needed someone in january so ASAP. It is a highly technical role. The name contains "pre-sales" but that only really represents the fact that we work very closely with the lads & lasses in sales, and we're a more "outgoing" and "people friendly" set of techs (which is why I like to recruit edugeeks). Chance of moving into sales ~0% as its a different mindset. Also, if anyone wants to recommnd a friend, and we hire them... I am sure I can fish out some sort of monetary reward.

Hey, it keeps my thread bumped, I won't argue Also this is the kind of BS conversation we like in our office, so if you wwre in the uk i'd be after your cv

Knowing there isn't one?

Perhaps. Feel free to fire in your CV/salary requirements and we'll talk

100% - we're short on that front, i'm a leeds fan myself, but of my colleagues we've a geordie a manc(!) and a b-burn. Bad times Also office is within half a mile of Elland Rd.

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...an addition - don't be afraid to apply for "lack of experience"! Salary questions are difficult - i don't like to post on an open board which upwards of 20 of my colleagues read but I can answer by PM. It's not "NM of a big school" and its not "Junior technician" but possibly somewhere in between?!

Folks, Early heads-up that I am recruiting another pre-sales tech at our Leeds office. Many of you may have spoken to one of the guys in this team if you have looked at using Smoothwall for firewall or filtering. Basic outline of the role: * Visiting potential customers with a member of our sales team to discuss their security needs * Giving webex style demos * lurking on edugeek and helping people * Delivering product training * Designing and installing smoothwall deployments from small schools to full LAs * Hacking around with the product * Testing new stuff * Working on blocklists/new blocking rules Key skills: * fully functional brain, or compatible * know one end of network cable from the other * Able to find your way round an AD, understand all that OU business etc * Experience of filters, firewalls etc. a bonus * Ability/desire to learn Also, this job involves a bunch of travelling, which is much easier if you can drive, so a driving licence is borderline essential. Additionally, you are likely to end up at various points around the country (and indeed worldwide, we have offices on both coasts of the US), so spending a couple of nights away each month is expected. Please PM or ask in thread for more details.

Can you tell TMG not to authenticate for certain sites? Some sites don't work well with authentication, due to badly written helper-apps.

Uncontended is not about the bit from your lair to the PoP, its abut the bit that goes from the exchange/PoP to "that internet". Basically, to use home DSL as an example, everyones line will run as fast as it is able, eg 8Meg on DSLmax. but if your ISP sells 50 8meg dsl lines in your area, they will probably only have a 10Mb link to the internet, hoping not everyone's on at once. This is the way it works in LAs generally. If you are paying for uncontended - and you'll pay more, sometimes a lot more, but you should get the advertised rate whatever the weather

I'll get someone to have a look at selectively blocking this rubbish. Ta.

Yes, you will be able to get a Smoothwall appliance that does firewall and filtering all in one. I would always recommend a chat with one of our pre-sales engineers just to make sure you're 101% happy with the proposed setup though. If you could PM me your details I can get that set up.

Seems vaguely unlikely as you're asking the Smoothwall to act as a bridge, and it is a NAT firewall. However your ISA is probably doing NAT. It may be possible to run them in parallel and switch machines between them slowly. Also, Express does no filtering by default - it has to have 3rd party add ons enabled. Finally... what are you actually trying to achieve by this, if I understood that more clearly I may be able to propose how to get it to fly

Generally you can FTP to anonymous FTP sites through a browser using a regular http proxy like squid. To use filezilla, the right ports need to be open, or you need a "real" ftp proxy in place. At which point does it time out? Connect or download? If the latter, try passive ftp.

How wrong? A friend of a friend went manchester to edinburgh instead of bristol. That's pretty wrong.

It would be cool, but we'd be back to a more "one size fits all" solution - and tbh there are 100s of specialised ISPs that could hand us our ass in a basket when it comes to providing connectivity, we'd just end up reselling their service at a less attractive cost. Stick to filtering thinks I.

First off - apologies for selective quoting. Just wanted to explore the "city schools subsidise their rural counterparts" and "if everyone went their own way, some schools would have unusable internet connectivity" points (I hope these are an adequate precis of your rant). Anyhow... I am thinking that, at least in many areas, these may be a bit mythical now. I know it was largely true 5 years ago, but perhaps not now. What I see is that "large scale" roll-outs across LAs means one provider, which rarely does "fit all". In this case, schools which are already in reach of that provider end up paying more so that schools out of that providers' reach can receive connectivity from the same company. In many of these cases if 3 providers who all "naturally" cover the entire area could be used, the total cost would be less. I don't think there really are "economies of scale" in this sort of provision. I do accept that some schools will get a worse deal - perhaps rural outliers in predominantly urban areas will be worst hit overall. On the other hand, this will encourage new modes of delivery - the company mentioned as possibly coming to the conference, for example can deliver wireless at a good pricepoint to a very limited number of schools. This would never fly if they had to do it on a much larger area, but i'd hazard that those schools who are now freed to take this up will benefit. Similarly FTTC, a largely consumer focused tech will allow other schools to take up connectivity where appropriate. Having said that, we (Smoothwall) are working with one LA who are predominantly rural - and unsurprisingly they seem to be heading for a fairly cohesive strategy, perhaps because each school percieves individual connectivity to be harder than the norm to provide, but also in large part because the LA in question is taking pains to adapt to the other bits the schools do and don't want. This does show that in some cases where a "group buying" situation can prove its worth, it will succeed. Unfortunately there WILL be some losers, in terms of the (ans im thinking relatively few) schools whos connectivity really was subsidised (as opposed to subsidising a connection that you wouldnt have bought in an open market), but with time, this will work itself out. Meanwhile I hope larger/luckier schools ISPs, and those on the periphery like ourselves will do our best to help anyone who does end up losing out. This isn't an "anti-LA/RBC" rant (indeed its more of a ramble ) rather trying to put a different slant on the situation.

Have met a couple of their chaps, and was generally impressed by their technical accumen at least Nice building they're in too. And decent coffee.

Monitor the outlook process and come up with a "top 10 logged in without outlook" users each week, and then they can get a ticking off for being in the naughty email club. Should teach people soon enough to keep it open and doesn't rely on too much of a nasty kludge?

Generally we've seen people able to make cost savings - even sometimes in areas which are traditionally hard to provide internet to. Also flexibility is key - often people i have met are getting shorter contracts, giving more options going forward. You do have to be dilligent - the main thing to ensure is do you have time to make all the procurements and do al the setup - so it is worth talking to suppliers, especially ISPs about lead-time very early on. We Smoothwall folk have helped organise netman meetings to get people in the same area together to discuss these options (we can supply sandwiches, some organisation and a focal point for discussions!) - if anyone's interested in doing this where they are, PM/mail/phone.

I like to think Forefront's popular because its cheap, and many people already have ISA, and we're popular because we're GOOD